Pierce Audio Products Steals Designs

[smd4life 5,000+ posts]

There are three patents on that basket. Two for the design itself and one for the removable thread adaptor which makes the top assembly replicable. Even if the cast was 100% re tooled it would infringe on our design patent at the very least. The patents are all posted on our website under each driver that uses the frames.
The tooling and design costs for that frame were very very expensive and you don't see many custom frames around for that reason which is why we are defensive about it just as JL Audio, RE, MTX, Kicker, or any other manufacture is of theirs.

The reason many older frames are shared is because they were designed over 14 years ago and the patent no longer holds. The frame we use on our TC-1000 is one example a "free" frame that anyone can use without infringement.

There is nothing illegal about buying our frame from our vender or directly from us, you just can’t resell it unless otherwise negotiated. We are an OEM too.

If anyone has any questions for us, please direct them to our email or our forum.

Thank you all for the comments and concerns,

We have some very exciting new products lined up for 2007 for the car audio crowd.

http://www.tcsounds.com

no reply to this DBB?

 

[snoopdan 5,000+ posts]

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif thats not Kyle posting on ROE nor here, just so you all keep things in perspective //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 

[Jep772 10+ year member]

3rd graders fighting over pokemon cards > you bored *** geeks

 

[smd4life 5,000+ posts]

why can T3 and ground zero use thier baskets like its no big deal?

 

[Death By Bass 10+ year member]

no reply to this DBB?

sorry to disappoint you, but i do actually have a life //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[Worlddre 5,000+ posts]

why can T3 and ground zero use thier baskets like its no big deal?

to my knowledge tc was involved with those companies when the drivers using that baskert were made

 

[mtdewelf 10+ year member]

sorry to disappoint you, but i do actually have a life //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

but no reply //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif j/p

Why did you take such offense to this thread? patents something that strike a nerve with you?

 

[95stroked1500 10+ year member]

ouch, patent infringement! they could settle behind the scenes with "p.a.p." paying TC royalties for use of their basket.

so trying to follow that, pap hyped up a sub, then it was found to not live up to the hype? and now they make a sub with "eye appeal", and we are supposed to expect different out of them? because it "looks big, it must get loud"?

or is pap taking a few different peoples loud subs, conglomorating them together, and then going to try and claim it as thier own and put their name on it?

my first impression of that linked thread, something doesn't seem right with them.

 

[BASSMEKANIK 10+ year member]

why can T3 and ground zero use thier baskets like its no big deal?

what about fujitsu ten ? didnt they use those same baskets on the titaniums? at least they look almost the same. dont know if they have a threaded basked or not though...

 

[ktraughb 10+ year member]

you cant have a patent on a design, not to mention, you could modify the design by half a milimeter, and its nolonger the same //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

if you had any experience whatsoever with patents you would understand that often measurements are not specified in an application or in disclosure documents. the whole point in the beginning is to be as general as possible so it cant be quickly copied. the measurements can come last and even then dont have to be all to specific, otherwise you fall into the category of a design patent. which you say isnt real. outside of the measurement problems, you have what you may dub a clear patent. nonetheless, if a basket was specifically patented with precise measurements, and the other companies are building the same to spec, then yes there is a violation there. but, it could be the case of a millimeter difference. of course a basket can be patented, you cant generalize a basket because there are only a few "popular designs". there are several companies which have a specific patent on a basket. you can patent whatever the hell you like. whether it will stick or not after your payments depends. there are a lot of loopholes. im in the process of a patent, not audio related.

 

[shawnfleming 10+ year member]

what about fujitsu ten ? didnt they use those same baskets on the titaniums? at least they look almost the same. dont know if they have a threaded basked or not though...

The Eclipse titanium and aluminum were built by TC, thats why they can use that basket.

 

[pwnt by pat 10+ year member]

but no reply //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif j/p
Why did you take such offense to this thread? patents something that strike a nerve with you?

US patent laws especially...

 

[creyc 10+ year member]

this thread = filled with crappy speculation.