people using limewire getting lawsuits?

[nate2587 10+ year member]

well see what I would use in court is its the ISP's fault for not making sure their connection secure using just a firewall or WPA2/WEP, so in turn. . . . you off free?

they are not obligated to protect your personal connection they have a firewall on their modem but other than that all traffic beyond their modem is up 2 u

aka your wireless router is your property if someone hacks into it it's not the ISP's fault

 

[hello again 10+ year member]

u signed ownership over that internet so you are responsible for it.. it says so on your internet agreement u signed
The End

P.s. don't try that in court..

thats like saying i have to do 25 to life because some dude broke into my home stole my gun and blasted some little kid because i didnt put shatter-proof windows on my house

 

[nate2587 10+ year member]

how much safer is torrent?

im trying to find an explanation of what torrents are wiki's explanation sucks

Basically you download from a bunch of ppl and you only download small piece's of the puzzle.

ex:

you download Windows XP which is 700mb ish

you only downloaded 256k from me

256k from steve over in england

256k from your neighbor

256k from someone over in Texas

and so on..

so in turn your really not breaking any copyright laws because you downloaded it from many of ppl and one person solely did not upload it to you..

I believe Limewire uses a centrailized servers to to distribute the whole file but im not to sure about that one

torrents>limwire

 

[nate2587 10+ year member]

thats like saying i have to do 25 to life because some dude broke into my home stole my gun and blasted some little kid because i didnt put shatter-proof windows on my house

wtf is up with shatter proof windows? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif how does that relate with anything

basically what im saying is its not usable in court..

 

[MikeofTulsa Moderator]

how much safer is torrent?

depends on what site you get your stuff from, if its a closed community its much safer.

 

[CaliforniabOY5 10+ year member]

ur a n00b please don't talk

they are not obligated to protect your personal connection they have a firewall on their modem but other than that all traffic beyond their modem is up 2 u
aka your wireless router is your property if someone hacks into it it's not the ISP's fault

My god, Prowler I apologize for this but this little ***** is pissing me off, maybe I need anger management????

1st of all, I can see that you know how networks in THEORY are supposed to work however some things you say aren't exactly correct.

A) THey do not have a firewall on thier modem. If they did all of your traffic would be recorded and cached which I can assure you it is not in a huge enterprise. People's homes are not on what you would call a domain account and cache/traffic is not stored. Another proof of this is that if it were firewalled closely, you would be unable to receive huge data packets which when your downloading huge files is exactly what your doing. In thoery its nice to think you do, but. . they dont, its the reason why viruses exist. If ISP's were to put firewalls on thier modems and gateway to your home then they would be much less of them if not non-existant. I can count in my hand the number of virues that spread in only ONE data packet, most travel in bunches and if they did, a "firewall" would be notified and terminate it's traffic. However since there is no firewalll on an ISP's modem, this doesnt exist.

B) Most newer modems have wifi built in. This is once again thier property. Many high speed owners do not own their modem, they RENT it, i know in cable internet this is completely true. If it's thier property, they are responsible for it, that IS what your saying isnt it? Now you do the math. . . . .

C) Dont be calling people noobs please, it adds more to your ignorance.

 

[bizflawless 5,000+ posts]

keep limewire, just dont share the files you have downloaded, easy as that. they arent gonna get you.

100%

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

Yeah how do I turn the uploads off so people can't bum off of me

stop sharing any of your folders. look in the tools section and delete any folders that you are sharing. it'll slow your download speed some by doing this, as alot of people don't share their files with "leechers"

 

[nate2587 10+ year member]

My god, Prowler I apologize for this but this little ***** is pissing me off, maybe I need anger management????

1st of all, I can see that you know how networks in THEORY are supposed to work however some things you say aren't exactly correct.

A) THey do not have a firewall on thier modem. If they did all of your traffic would be recorded and cached which I can assure you it is not in a huge enterprise. People's homes are not on what you would call a domain account and cache/traffic is not stored. Another proof of this is that if it were firewalled closely, you would be unable to receive huge data packets which when your downloading huge files is exactly what your doing. In thoery its nice to think you do, but. . they dont, its the reason why viruses exist. If ISP's were to put firewalls on thier modems and gateway to your home then they would be much less of them if not non-existant. I can count in my hand the number of virues that spread in only ONE data packet, most travel in bunches and if they did, a "firewall" would be notified and terminate it's traffic. However since there is no firewalll on an ISP's modem, this doesnt exist.

Yes in turn there is a firewall on a ISP's modem.. and yes they do track your information.. I worked for a fairly large ISP and they do monitor all information coming and going from your modem.

 

 

ive never heard of ISP's using data cacheing but rather monitoring the traffic

 

Data that is monitored is not "stored" it would be senseless for the ISP to make ton's of logs for your connection..

 

Of course people will not be on a domain account that is internal networking you are talking about here not enterprise ISP services

 

Ive never heard of firewalls blocking large data packets unless you tell it to.

 

you arn't downloading 1 huge data packets you are downloading many of different data packets that compile into a large file

 

Basically what your speaking of here is a personal firewall which monitors all of your traffic on your computer. this will come "software" related.

 

where as the firewall on your modem is "hardware" and it monitors the packets sent and received on your modem...

 

if you really want to get into it we can start talking about the fundamentals of networking and the OSI model layers

 

im really not in the mood for that

 

B) Most newer modems have wifi built in. This is once again thier property. Many high speed owners do not own their modem, they RENT it, i know in cable internet this is completely true. If it's thier property, they are responsible for it, that IS what your saying isnt it? Now you do the math. . . . .

I was assuming that they where using an external wireless router which would in turn be "your" ownership. I wasn't talking about the wireless built into the ISP's Router

 

Yes i realize that you do rent it but you also have a option to purchase the modem also.

C) Dont be calling people noobs please, it adds more to your ignorance.

sry if i offended u

anyways im over it im done with this /thread

 

[CaliforniabOY5 10+ year member]

ttt

Okay let me summarize for you a couple of things here. The only way to track your information as far as a ISP is concerned if you want to talk about it like that is to monitor through SNMP correct? Data must be stored atleast momentarily to do this. Since most ISP's just use DHCP it is impossible to track down every new ISP assigned to you every time you log in and out and that is why I am declaring that they do not monitor that, it wouldnt make sense to do so. . . .say you download a file and it came from 192.168.24.78, he breaks his connection and logs back in with a randomly generated ip at 192.168.24.154 and this going back and forth pending on log in's and log off's. It would take a shit load of detective work to find out what IP a MAC address had 6 months ago. So i really beleive that this practice is not done. Hardware firewalls are REAL firewalls. . . . and I dont want to get into the OSI layer as the OSI layers have less to do with this than the TCP/IP layer does. However I do see you understand the concepts but I heavily disagree with what your saying. . . I do respect that you understand network infastructure though. That is cool, im in IT @ the Orange County Data Center. I can get more into detail of firewalls as I have a few firewalls for 3 agencies.....but is there really a reason to? No. All I am saying is it would be harder to prove a case for downloading off a peer to peer network than you say it would. . . . either way this is more of a scare tactic I believe. . . . . Most corporations will just rather take 10 3k fines than go after a real case due to the difficulty and politics and go along with it. . . . Okay my work day is over, im going home...... we can continue this some other time. . . .

 

[nate2587 10+ year member]

Okay let me summarize for you a couple of things here. The only way to track your information as far as a ISP is concerned if you want to talk about it like that is to monitor through SNMP correct? Data must be stored atleast momentarily to do this. Since most ISP's just use DHCP it is impossible to track down every new ISP assigned to you every time you log in and out and that is why I am declaring that they do not monitor that, it wouldnt make sense to do so. . . .say you download a file and it came from 192.168.24.78, he breaks his connection and logs back in with a randomly generated ip at 192.168.24.154 and this going back and forth pending on log in's and log off's. It would take a shit load of detective work to find out what IP a MAC address had 6 months ago. So i really beleive that this practice is not done. Hardware firewalls are REAL firewalls. . . . and I dont want to get into the OSI layer as the OSI layers have less to do with this than the TCP/IP layer does. However I do see you understand the concepts but I heavily disagree with what your saying. . . I do respect that you understand network infastructure though. That is cool, im in IT @ the Orange County Data Center. I can get more into detail of firewalls as I have a few firewalls for 3 agencies.....but is there really a reason to? No. All I am saying is it would be harder to prove a case for downloading off a peer to peer network than you say it would. . . . either way this is more of a scare tactic I believe. . . . . Most corporations will just rather take 10 3k fines than go after a real case due to the difficulty and politics and go along with it. . . . Okay my work day is over, im going home...... we can continue this some other time. . . .

In turn they don't monitor traffic 24/7 the only monitor traffic when it is requested..

ex:

You are downloading the newest ablum by Staind just released 2 days ago..

But what you don't know is that it is uploaded by the DMCA (Digital Millennuum Copyright ACt) now they get thousands of ppl that want this and download this and then thousands more after that they then record all the IP address's that downloaded the partial upload by the DMCA and then report the IP address to the ISP

So now YOUR IP address has a red flag on it and they start to monitor the traffic closely

They can see easily that you are doing P2P sharing.

They send you a couple of letters stating please stop doing it its against our rules (Warnings)

Then they report you and your *** gets sued... so basically be careful what you download

The end

P.S teh OSI model layer is boring...

 

[sumone 10+ year member]

If you think ISPs don't keep logs of DHCP leases, you're crazy.

Your IP address + ex parte order of discovery + subpoena + ISP = identification of account holder

 

[LeofromtheH 10+ year member]

Or you could just stop using Limewire ... it's shit anyways ...

though i don't use limewire all that much,

not all of us are cool enough to be on oink.com or the like //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/blackeye.gif.66a1670f5aaf7f406e783a63e3387dc5.gif

btw, anyone got an invite??//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Prowler573 5,000+ posts]

Where's a good place to get torrents that doesn't requie an invite??

 

[LeofromtheH 10+ year member]

for music.

albumbase.com

you're welcome