oklahoma's new law HB 1804

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

links to citations?

http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscal.html

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

All the politicians were pushing amnesty, not just Bush. But it's easy to point the finger.
As for your assertions about enforcement, I'm not sure where you get your information, but it's blatantly wrong in my experience. I have a large number of friends who are police officers, many of whom have told me they've tried to get rid of illegal aliens they come upon and were told by INS to let them go... well BEFORE the Bush administration was in power. Clinton was no better about it. In fact, it's been that way for YEARS.

One cop friend of mine arrested a whole carload of illegal Mexicans, and when he called INS to come get them, they told him to let them go, because they weren't coming for them no matter what crime they were charged with. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wow.gif.23d729408e9177caa2a0ed6a2ba6588e.gif This was back in.... 1999 perhaps? Certainly before you could be blaming Bush for it.

Notice I said workplace and employer enforcement, not individual enforcement. And I get my information from federal statistics not from cop friends. Hate to do it but I'm going to quote the washington post:

Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.
In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/18/AR2006061800613_pf.html

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

You said "enforcement and employer crackdowns"

Good job finding materials to back up your point. I specifically spoke about street-level enforcement of immigration violations, with which I have personal experience.

I would surmise by your tone that you should be glad of the new law, then, which will help the states enforce the law if the feds won't right?

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

You said "enforcement and employer crackdowns"
Good job finding materials to back up your point. I specifically spoke about street-level enforcement of immigration violations, with which I have personal experience.

I would surmise by your tone that you should be glad of the new law, then, which will help the states enforce the law if the feds won't right?

Its nice to see government at any level finally listen to the its people. Unfortunately all state laws do is shift illegals to other illegal friendly states. Effective for the state yes, effective for the nation, no. We still need the federal government to do its job //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

ps...my bad on the enforcement misunderstanding from which aspect

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

Its nice to see government at any level finally listen to the its people. Unfortunately all state laws do is shift illegals to other illegal friendly states. Effective for the state yes, effective for the nation, no. We still need the federal government to do its job //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif
ps...my bad on the enforcement misunderstanding from which aspect

the government won't, we all know that. the democrats need the illegal vote and the republicans need cheap employees.

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

the government won't, we all know that. the democrats need the illegal vote and the republicans need cheap employees.

Since when do illegals vote?

I do, however, think it's a step in the right direction. If all of Oklahoma's illegals are now moving on to Arkansas and Kansas (as proclaimed above), then Arkansas and Kansas now need to deal with the problem in similar ways.

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

Since when do illegals vote?

they'll be able to in new york, eventually everywhere once they can get drivers licenses.

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

Yup, Spitzer in NY has alot of people upset:

October 22, 2007 -- ALBANY - State election officials are worried that Gov. Spitzer's plan to allow illegal aliens to obtain driver's licenses will make it difficult for them to catch people voting illegally.
"There has been concern," state Board of Elections spokesman Lee Daghlian told The Post.

While it is up to the local boards of election to determine who is eligible to vote, it is rare that election officials check into a person's legal status, particularly if they have identifying information on their voter-registration form like a driver's license or the last four digits of a Social Security number, Daghlian said.

In order to register, a person must sign an affidavit stating that they are an American citizen.

"You assume that people don't lie, and that's what the form says," Daghlian said. "It's an affidavit you sign under penalty of perjury."

But Daghlian concedes, "Nobody checks it" to determine its validity.

At the polls, voters are asked to show some form of photo ID, like a driver's license, to prove their identity, Daghlian said.

"I suppose it would be [tough to catch] if someone wanted to take advantage of the system and try to get a number of people registered who aren't citizens and went ahead and got them driver's licenses," he said.

Spitzer last month announced that beginning in December, the state will allow illegal aliens to obtain driver's licenses by no longer requiring that applicants provide Social Security numbers or letters that a person is not eligible for such a number.

Critics of the plan expressed concerns about homeland security and said it would make New York ripe for voter fraud.

That criticism grew louder after The Post reported Saturday that the Spitzer administration reversed a policy that would have prohibited the Department of Motor Vehicles from handing out motor-voter registration forms to anyone without a Social Security number, saying it is up to the local boards of election to determine whether someone is eligible to vote.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10222007/news/regionalnews/elex_bigs_fear_fraud_in_gov_li.htm

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

Since when do illegals vote?
I do, however, think it's a step in the right direction. If all of Oklahoma's illegals are now moving on to Arkansas and Kansas (as proclaimed above), then Arkansas and Kansas now need to deal with the problem in similar ways.

Yup, any progress is good progress //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[millerscents 10+ year member]

pretty lame law........sounds like it was written by an ignorant redneck

this is the full law as wrote by oklahoma senete

http://parkedplaces.com/karn/HB1804FinalSummary.pdf

 

[savagebee 10+ year member]

I now know of over 25 rent houses that came up as available today lol

I work with a guy who owns a trailer park, and he said he lost about 30 tenants in the last week..

in this area at least, the illegals are taking it seriously

unfortunately, we still have the felons and drug dealers hanging around, cause INS is nonexistant in this area

 

[UndercoverPunk 5,000+ posts]

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[savagebee 10+ year member]

Requires foreign nationals who have not been lawfully admittedto the U.S. to be deemed a flight risk for bond determination

purposes.

I like this part of it

this = automatic NO BOND on felony charges.. hopefully

 

[UndercoverPunk 5,000+ posts]

Good.

 

[savagebee 10+ year member]

Good.

**** straight its good

I work in the city jail and as a dispatcher for the city popo

we've lost a good 10 felony arrests that probably fled to Mexico, or another state..

the problem was, if they bonded out, and we later found them, there was no way to prove we were detaining the right person, since there was no state issued ID card to verify it with..

luckily many of the tards that do this have tats with their names in old english.. so it makes id'ing them possible

I went to walmart yesterday for some plumbers glue, and didnt hear a single lick of spanish

it was a little weird