oklahoma's new law HB 1804

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

Like that one time he portrayed the president.

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

Conservatives love to point to the successes of Ronald Regan, yet abhor his amnesty bill.
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That's true.

Yet another example of how no one's perfect. I was pretty young then, so I don't remember it. I can only deal with today.

**** illegals, though. I've spent many many thousands of dollars doing it the right way... now I don't give a shit about losers who sneak in and have the chance to circumvent the system and get rewarded for it.

 

[sundownz Pro Seller]

Emergency care means childbirth though, which means another anchor baby. We need to keep giving emergency care but we need to do away with birthright citizenship!

*coughs*

Then you wouldn't be a citizen either... where did your family come from?

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

Like that one time he portrayed the president.

Yeah that was a long-running series...

 

[sundownz Pro Seller]

I'm all for immigration reform if they make becoming a legal citizen within reach for people. They make it complicated and expensive so that most people don't even know what to do even if they wanted to do it.

Face it... big business doesn't WANT legal immigrants. They want illegals... scared of being deported and willing to work for crap wages. Big business runs the country, and as long as they do we will have illegal immigrants working our crap jobs at low wages.

 

[savagebee 10+ year member]

precisely..

the nursery's in this area lost (w.a.g) 50% of their workforce this week.. lots and lots of illegals left for arkansas and kansas this week, the nurserys dont want legal citizens.. they want under paid workers with no benefits, why pay an american minimum wage when they can pay an illegal $3/hr?

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

*coughs*
Then you wouldn't be a citizen either... where did your family come from?

The 14th amendment was enacted to ensure civil rights to newly freed slaves after the civil war. It was not meant as a means for illegals to plant roots via an anchor baby. Quite a few countries don't have birthright citizenship, the status of the child is dependant on the citizenship status of the parents, which with a wide open border for jumpers, would be a much better plan here.

I'm here because both of my parents are legal U.S. citizens, I would be a citizen even if free-for-all birthright citizenship didn't exist.

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

I'm all for immigration reform if they make becoming a legal citizen within reach for people. They make it complicated and expensive so that most people don't even know what to do even if they wanted to do it.
Face it... big business doesn't WANT legal immigrants. They want illegals... scared of being deported and willing to work for crap wages. Big business runs the country, and as long as they do we will have illegal immigrants working our crap jobs at low wages.

Yup, we need enforcement on both ends of the spectrum, the illegals themselves but more importantly the employers that draw them here. They exploit workers and exploit the taxpaying public. When cheap *** employer bob doesn't give healthcare to his illegal aliens and pays them 3 bucks an hour guess who picks up the healthcare tab...all the while employer bob gets fat.

We really need to look at the financial impact of illegal immigration and amnesty before we just say we should have "immigration reform", which is usually just congress code speak for amnesty. Here's some scary numbers:

Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household

If illegal aliens were given amnesty and began to pay taxes and use services like households headed by legal immigrants with the same education levels, the estimated annual net fiscal deficit would increase from $2,700 per household to nearly $7,700, for a total net cost of $29 billion.

I don't believe in amnesty one bit, but if there is to be anything close I think the minimum wage needs to be raised drastically to head off the tax deficits shown above so our eleventy billion new citizens wouldn't just turn on the drain like a light switch, and the employers would have to pay a decent wage.

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

Well, let's not just blame it on the Bush administration, Immigration enforcement has been one of the biggest jokes in our legal system for many many years.

Very true, outside of the reagan push below though bush is the most recent president pushing amnesty this hard...and enforcement and employer crackdowns stopped abrubtly at the beginning of the his administration.

Conservatives love to point to the successes of Ronald Regan, yet abhor his amnesty bill.
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Yup, but remember teddy kennedy and his reassuring statements back then...like:

"This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this."
-- Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy on the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986

...and who is the one pushing amnesty again //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

 

[Ignatowski 5,000+ posts]

pretty lame law........sounds like it was written by an ignorant redneck

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

We really need to look at the financial impact of illegal immigration and amnesty before we just say we should have "immigration reform", which is usually just congress code speak for amnesty. Here's some scary numbers:

links to citations?

 

[Rmsanger 10+ year member]

finally a state with the dbz to kick em out... hoorah

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

Very true, outside of the reagan push below though bush is the most recent president pushing amnesty this hard...and enforcement and employer crackdowns stopped abrubtly at the beginning of the his administration.


Yup, but remember teddy kennedy and his reassuring statements back then...like:

...and who is the one pushing amnesty again //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

All the politicians were pushing amnesty, not just Bush. But it's easy to point the finger.

As for your assertions about enforcement, I'm not sure where you get your information, but it's blatantly wrong in my experience. I have a large number of friends who are police officers, many of whom have told me they've tried to get rid of illegal aliens they come upon and were told by INS to let them go... well BEFORE the Bush administration was in power. Clinton was no better about it. In fact, it's been that way for YEARS.

One cop friend of mine arrested a whole carload of illegal Mexicans, and when he called INS to come get them, they told him to let them go, because they weren't coming for them no matter what crime they were charged with. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wow.gif.23d729408e9177caa2a0ed6a2ba6588e.gif This was back in.... 1999 perhaps? Certainly before you could be blaming Bush for it.

 

[MikeofTulsa Moderator]

You are from OK and he figured you might just have something to say on the subject. UH DUUUUUUR. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

i like the law

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

i like the law

Fascinating.