North American Union? F*ck that

[bumpweLL.nYc 10+ year member]

little boy watch some cartoons and let the grown men discuss.

Im saying it takes a twisted individual to capitalize on a catastropic event. no bid contracts heh

If you think some ragheads brought down the towers because they hate our freedom and prosperity then youre a child. You want common sense? A horrid foreign policy brought it. Its a common term called blowback. We made Al Qaeda during the Russian-Afghan conflict. We rained missiles during the Clinton administration to get Bin Laden and missed badly. So was it terrorism or retalliation? Iraq? Bush and the Saudis are best friends no?

We should have been on guard at Pearl Harbor. The Japanese were angered by sanctions and economic strain. We were warned at the Geneva summit that Hawaii was a target. However it was perfect opportunity to end the war quickly. Russians had worn down the Germans, we had developed the bomb and wanted to solidify America as the superpower.

On 911 we were attacked, but I dot think the government did it. If things were that shady we wouldve found a WMD in Iraq //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Whats more interesting is that Bush today is pushing for a global missile defense system with development in Russia, and its not going over well with Putin //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

little boy watch some cartoons and let the grown men discuss.Im saying it takes a twisted individual to capitalize on a catastropic event. no bid contracts heh

If you think some ragheads brought down the towers because they hate our freedom and prosperity then youre a child. You want common sense? A horrid foreign policy brought it. Its a common term called blowback. We made Al Qaeda during the Russian-Afghan conflict. We rained missiles during the Clinton administration to get Bin Laden and missed badly. So was it terrorism or retalliation? Iraq? Bush and the Saudis are best friends no?

We should have been on guard at Pearl Harbor. The Japanese were angered by sanctions and economic strain. We were warned at the Geneva summit that Hawaii was a target. However it was perfect opportunity to end the war quickly. Russians had worn down the Germans, we had developed the bomb and wanted to solidify America as the superpower.

On 911 we were attacked, but I dot think the government did it. If things were that shady we wouldve found a WMD in Iraq //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Whats more interesting is that Bush today is pushing for a global missile defense system with development in Russia, and its not going over well with Putin //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

i'm not saying that some people weren't trying to capitalize after the fact. the argument is whether it was planned before hand in order to profit. i can't argue pearl harbor. we had signicant motivation for allowing that one.

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

LOL, you went through my post history to try to dig up information? How pathetic.
Are you Jewish Deuce? It would explain alot (like how you even know of the term self-hating Jew, and why you are spending so much time trying to discredit me rather than debate the facts).

Nope, I'm not Jewish. I just wanted to see what came first, your hate of jews or your crackpot theories about 911. I'm not going to believe anything that comes out of anybody's mouth that says 90% of a religion are bad people. You are a bigot and a crazy...awesome combo //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

Are you serious?
It generates support.

Before Pearl Harbor noone wanted to enter the war, the event caused millions to immediately enter the armed forces.

WW2 was sparked by the burning of the Reichstag, the Nazi parliament. They blamed it on TERRORISM by the Communist party even though it was never proven, and the rest is history.

The Nazis stood behind Hitler the way you dopes stand behind Bush. TERRORISM IS ALWAYS A FARCE FOR A BIGGER AGENDA.

So war with Iraq couldn't have started without 9/11. What about Operation Desert Fox?

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

On 911 we were attacked, but I dot think the government did it. If things were that shady we wouldve found a WMD in Iraq //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gifQUOTE]

That is a very interesting point.

 

[bumpweLL.nYc 10+ year member]

So war with Iraq couldn't have started without 9/11. What about Operation Desert Fox?

yeah but that was a bombing, not an invasion.

how fitting we would start a war due to intelligence from a guy with the alias 'curveball' http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB234/index.htm

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Whats more interesting is that Bush today is pushing for a global missile defense system with development in Russia, and its not going over well with Putin //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

Your lack of knowledge about MDA makes me lol.

 

[savagebee 10+ year member]

But 911 was still a secret govt OP.

that, according to you, everyone knows about?

hmm

 

[richierich75 10+ year member]

i'm not saying that some people weren't trying to capitalize after the fact. the argument is whether it was planned before hand in order to profit. i can't argue pearl harbor. we had signicant motivation for allowing that one.[/QUOTE]
so you admit that our government has the capabilities and the audacity and DID allow an attack on american citizens to go to war, but that it is too far fetched for them to do it again...now how much sense that does fvckin make...read "Rebuilding America's Defenses - it outlines our "controlling interests," which apparently to those in power is "significant motivation" to go to war.

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

they had motivation to go to war without blowing up the towers. what did blowing up the towers do to help them go to war. they don't need the people's approval to do anything. congress voted to go to war in iraq based on intelligence reports, not the fact that the towers fell. bad intelligence, maybe. if there is a 911 conspiracy, that may be where to look. it's possible that they took advantage of 911 happening when it did, and decided to go to war then. i'd bet going to war in iraq was on the table long before 911, they just waited for the excuse.

 

[97gp 5,000+ posts]

I think the internet is a conspiracy, I don't think it exists.

 

[richierich75 10+ year member]

they had motivation to go to war without blowing up the towers. what did blowing up the towers do to help them go to war. they don't need the people's approval to do anything. congress voted to go to war in iraq based on intelligence reports, not the fact that the towers fell. bad intelligence, maybe. if there is a 911 conspiracy, that may be where to look. it's possible that they took advantage of 911 happening when it did, and decided to go to war then. i'd bet going to war in iraq was on the table long before 911.

Of course it was on the table, that is why we are there now. Up until the attacks we had no "reason" that congress would allow the US to wage war on Iraq, the point is, the attack was used to proprell the war against Iraq. The attack was blamed on AQ, then AQ was "supposidly" linked to Iraq - which we have now discovered was a lie used to go to war against Iraq.

The bad intelligence you speak was falsified by current administration officials and that is what was used to go to war. Watch the pbs.org link I posted.

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

Of course it was on the table, that is why we are there now. Up until the attacks we had no "reason" that congress would allow the US to wage war on Iraq, the point is, the attack was used to proprell the war against Iraq. The attack was blamed on AQ, then AQ was "supposidly" linked to Iraq - which we have now discovered was a lie used to go to war against Iraq.
The bad intelligence you speak was falsified by current administration officials and that is what was used to go to war. Watch the pbs.org link I posted.

that does not mean they blew up the towers. if someone supressed information that we could suffer an attack, i'd be more likely to entertain that idea. i think they just waited for something to happen. it's very deliberate. i believe that the powers (bush does not run this country)behind the us government have been waiting to do this since before reagan was even president.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

that does not mean they blew up the towers. if someone supressed information that we could suffer an attack, i'd be more likely to entertain that idea. i think they just waited for something to happen. it's very deliberate. i believe that the powers (bush does not run this country)behind the us government have been waiting to do this since before reagan was even president.

Would be a very plausible theory...

Much moreso than they (whoever 'they' are) rigged the towers up and all that jazz.

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

we've been trying to provoke shit for many years to get someone to give us an excuse, a real excuse in the eyes of the world, to gain control of the middle east, and our number 1 goal, control the world's money and energy.

Following Iraq's attack on Kuwait in 1990, international sanctions were placed on Iraq prohibiting the purchase of Iraqi oil by member states. Sanctions on Iraq initially resulted in a decline of oil revenue from $7 billion prior to the Gulf War to just $1 billion. In 1996, Iraq accepted an "Oil-for-Food" program through which Iraq was allowed to apply oil proceeds toward the purchase of food and medicines. This program significantly reduced the previous economic pressures on Iraq. Although Baghdad would very much like to rid itself of the sanctions, the Oil-for-Food program has alleviated much of the economic pressure on Iraq.

 

[bumpweLL.nYc 10+ year member]

Your lack of knowledge about MDA makes me lol.

then please enlighten me. I dont think Putin is going to want missile bases for nieghbors with us having the autonomy. The whole argument is that they want shared control, especially after we are trying to dip our hands in the arctic oil. So the MDA took down a dying satellite, that justifies permanent bases? Is there an asteroid we have to worry about? Thats what I hate, I KNOW theres more to what they say.

they had motivation to go to war without blowing up the towers. what did blowing up the towers do to help them go to war. they don't need the people's approval to do anything. congress voted to go to war in iraq based on intelligence reports, not the fact that the towers fell. bad intelligence, maybe. if there is a 911 conspiracy, that may be where to look. it's possible that they took advantage of 911 happening when it did, and decided to go to war then. i'd bet going to war in iraq was on the table long before 911, they just waited for the excuse.

No way. Think of the psychological impact after that day. I wanted to go rip the heads off every turban. The Pennsylvania crash gave you that taste of revenge.

Everybody conceived that Iraq was harboring terrorists because of some crap info they got from a guy the CIA never even met personally and they spun it into stone. The govt would have been facing alot more questions if we werent victims.