news: WMD's found in Iraq

[nVRuckus 5,000+ posts]

muriatic acid is strong sh!t

I never thought so, and I used it for 5 years when i worked masonry to clean the stones afterwards.

 

[project f-150 10+ year member]

Uhh no we were told that he had an active weapons program. and that if we didnt act soon he would in the next few years be able to develope nuclear weapons.

 

[PollyCranopolis 10+ year member]

Bush NEVER stated that the only justification for war was an active WMD program. I'd like to see the documents with those staements if you can find them. It was one of many reasons which I have listed above. If you thought this to be so, you obviously never payed attention. Why was Saddam importing centrifuge parts? For an amusement park?

 

[project f-150 10+ year member]

I didn't claim it to be the only justification he gave for going. But it was one of the primary reasons he gave. He would have never gotten the support of the people in the country if he said we were only after older weapons that he had 20 years ago.

In October 2002, President Bush gave a speech in Cincinnati and spoke about the imminent threat Iraq posed to the U.S. because of the country's alleged ties with al-Qaeda and its endless supply of chemical and biological weapons:

"Surveillance photos reveal that the (Iraqi) regime is rebuilding facilities that it had used to produce chemical and biological weapons," Bush said. "Iraq possesses ballistic missiles with a likely range of hundreds of miles – far enough to strike Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey, and other nations – in a region where more than 135,000 American civilians and service members live and work. We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We're concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs for missions targeting the United States. And, of course, sophisticated delivery systems aren't required for a chemical or biological attack; all that might be required are a small container and one terrorist or Iraqi intelligence operative to deliver it."

 

[PollyCranopolis 10+ year member]

And the Russians and Germans also backed up this intelligence. Whats your point?

 

[project f-150 10+ year member]

My point is that being that since ALL of his claims of an active weapons program so far have turned out to be false. I dont feel that these finds of VERY old degraded weapons in anyway can serve as a reason to be in Iraq. Who even knows if these weapons still work or if they are even still potent enough to o any real damage. And to those of you who say well if he had these he was probably hiding more or newer weapons are we to believe that Saddam suddenly got a dose of humanity, opting instead to let his regime be torn apart rather than go out in a blaze of glory? Or could it be that Iraq either destroyed most of its WMD and chemical weapons(like they were supposed to) or never had anything substantial to begin with.

 

[Prowler573 5,000+ posts]

How 'bout this, project.....we've still got him in custody. He's not dead. Do you think we should put him back in Baghdad and let his resume control of the country?

A simple yes or no is all that I am after here...

 

[PollyCranopolis 10+ year member]

So what are your solutions for the current crisis in Iraq? Knowing that he had these weapons post Gulf war, where do you think they went? Evaporated? And BTW, his troops did have orders to use chemical weapons on American troops, we've confirmed this, but his troops apparently defied the order, fearing reprisals.

 

[Expy2K 10+ year member]

What crisis in Iraq..???

ha ha

Its just a simple occupation, hardly a crisis..

Nothing no other army hasn't done in the past 2500 years..

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[project f-150 10+ year member]

My ideas for a solution... honestly I dont have one. Its too late for what I think we should have done. Which is not gone in the first place. Especially when its for our presidents own personal vendetta. And who are we to judge when we have used white phosphorus against the iraqi people which is a chemical weapon. So knowing this if he gave the order to use chemical weapons on us he's no worse than us. Honestly would you think it would be so bad if someone invaded our country and as a way to protect ourselves our leaders gave an order to use chemical weapons on them?

 

[MiSeRy 10+ year member]

Just think of it like this....

Youll get a little high....

or die

definitely worth the risk!//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/yumyum.gif.0556df42231b304b9c995aefd13928a8.gif

 

[PollyCranopolis 10+ year member]

Personal vendetta? I dont think so. I purpose of the Gulf war was not to remove Saddam from power, only to puch him out of Kuwait. We accomplished that mission. Secondly, Saddam used chemical weapons aganst his own people on serveral occasions, and was murdering tens of thousands of them every year. Third, there have been no confirmed reports that we have used any chemical weapons on the Iraqis..that would be considered a war crime, so show me some documentation. Seems to me like your more willing to believe enemy propaganda than what our own troops say who are over there fighting. Do you have a vendetta aganst the US?

 

[Prowler573 5,000+ posts]

My ideas for a solution... honestly I dont have one. Its too late for what I think we should have done. Which is not gone in the first place. Especially when its for our presidents own personal vendetta. And who are we to judge when we have used white phosphorus against the iraqi people which is a chemical weapon. So knowing this if he gave the order to use chemical weapons on us he's no worse than us. Honestly would you think it would be so bad if someone invaded our country and as a way to protect ourselves our leaders gave an order to use chemical weapons on them?

Ab****ely I would. I do not bnlindly agree with every action that the US government takes to accomplish any given task. I additionally do not find the snow job that they have given the people of the US over the entire debacle in the Middle East very palatable. Having said that I think the overall mission as a whole was the right thing to do even if it was improperly motivated...

 

[project f-150 10+ year member]

Just to push him out of kuwait and not remove him from power? which war are you talking about? Also remember the whole "war on terror" thing? which started with a hunt for osama bin laden. well bush said when asked about the hunt for osama that he really didn't care about him anymore and was more concerned with getting saddam because he isafter all the man that tried to kill his dad. Now that wasn't an exact quote but if you'd like i can find it. And to me that sounds like he had personal reasons for wanting to go after saddam. And why are we looking to negotiations with countries like iran and n. korea who openly admit to having nuclear weapons programs. why dont we just storm in and take over in these places as well?

Ohh and i'm not quoting enemy propoganda when i state we used white phosphorus. It has been reported by our troops and reported in many independant news papers across the globe. Do you really want links cause i will be more than happy to provide them for you. hell i even know of a link to a very educational video on the subject you can watch.

 

[Prowler573 5,000+ posts]

Just to push him out of kuwait and not remove him from power? which war are you talking about? Also remember the whole "war on terror" thing? which started with a hunt for osama bin laden. well bush said when asked about the hunt for osama that he really didn't care about him anymore and was more concerned with getting saddam because he isafter all the man that tried to kill his dad. Now that wasn't an exact quote but if you'd like i can find it. And to me that sounds like he had personal reasons for wanting to go after saddam. And why are we looking to negotiations with countries like iran and n. korea who openly admit to having nuclear weapons programs. why dont we just storm in and take over in these places as well?Ohh and i'm not quoting enemy propoganda when i state we used white phosphorus. It has been reported by our troops and reported in many independant news papers across the globe. Do you really want links cause i will be more than happy to provide them for you. hell i even know of a link to a very educational video on the subject you can watch.

Let me guess....it is hosted on www.UniversalSeed.org?!? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif