New school subwoofer question?

[Jake321]

Was wondering if there's any new school subwoofer like The Nightshade NSV for example that would outcompete the older models?

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[audiobaun 5,000+ posts]

I would look at the NEP Audio Line up. Ive been looking at these lately

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[winkychevelle 10+ year member]

Was wondering if there's any new school subwoofer like The Nightshade NSV for example that would outcompete the older models?

Neo is usually gonna have more motor force and at times be lighter but they aren't night and day better than a well designed ferrite motor.

And neo isn't really "new" either.

The dd z4 iirc is still the current world record holder but at like 2500-3k each I'd rather have something else

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

Was wondering if there's any new school subwoofer like The Nightshade NSV for example that would outcompete the older models?

Look at the Fi neo 3.9's, 4.11's, and 4.12's.

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

 

[Jake321]

Those look good.

My top pics are:

DD Audio
Pride Audio ST
Kicker Solo X
Audio Pipe
Rockford Fosgate.

Sundown Night Shade NSV.

 

[hispls 5,000+ posts]

Was wondering if there's any new school subwoofer like The Nightshade NSV for example that would outcompete the older models?

If you're not doing top level SPL competition chasing tenths you would likely never notice the difference all things being equal between a couple dozen different products. If you're fighting for extreme class and need to find an extra tenth or two, you'd probably want to audition everything.

 

[Jake321]

If you're not doing top level SPL competition chasing tenths you would likely never notice the difference all things being equal between a couple dozen different products. If you're fighting for extreme class and need to find an extra tenth or two, you'd probably want to audition everything.

Basically 140DB+ is better SPL style.

The reason I made this thread is that I didn't hear Sundown Audio in person. I'm pretty sure it's a new brand and the depth looks insane!

But Audiopipe I think might have better transitions between frequencies.

Still hard to believe it until seen/heard in person.

The sundown looks like a one trick subwoofer. But tuned to 26-28hz the night Shade NSV might win SPL.

For me low HZ SPL is everything.


Rebassed music is way better than the original.

 

[winkychevelle 10+ year member]

Basically 140DB+ is better SPL style.

The reason I made this thread is that I didn't hear Sundown Audio in person. I'm pretty sure it's a new brand and the depth looks insane!

But Audiopipe I think might have better transitions between frequencies.

Still hard to believe it until seen/heard in person.

The sundown looks like a one trick subwoofer. But tuned to 26-28hz the night Shade NSV might win SPL.

For me low HZ SPL is everything.


Rebassed music is way better than the original.

Lol sundown has been around since 05 I believe. The neo subs are at least 10year old since the first revision.

And don't even compare audiopoop to sundown 2 completely separate leagues

and a 140db isn't loud not even close. That single 712 you run should be at least 140db if you did even a hair of a good job at designing and building the box.

 

[just call me KeV 10+ year member]

A well built IB setup with the right drivers will get you a 140. There's cats out here doing 65's on music. Which is..you know...absolutely bananas. I cant wait to see how the hobby evolves in the next 10-20 years.

 

[Ridinhi 5,000+ posts]

A well built IB setup with the right drivers will get you a 140. There's cats out here doing 65's on music. Which is..you know...absolutely bananas. I cant wait to see how the hobby evolves in the next 10-20 years.

Infinite baffle is on my bucket list!

 

[Jake321]

Lol sundown has been around since 05 I believe. The neo subs are at least 10year old since the first revision.

And don't even compare audiopoop to sundown 2 completely separate leagues

and a 140db isn't loud not even close. That siangle 712 you run should be at least 140db if you did even a hair of a good job at designing and building the box.

Haven't spent hundreds on a meter yet but I'm estimating its more than the average enclosure.

So how does Sundown compare to the DD712?

 

[Jake321]

Infinite baffle is on my bucket list!

How does the Subs (FS) play into the infinite baffle output?
Looks like the desired curve for me but only satisfied with 28-33hz output!

I read infinite baffle subwoofers need the Qts above.50 as far as qualified specs. Otherwise enclosure is needed.

What's subwoofer are you going to use?

 

[Ridinhi 5,000+ posts]

How does the Subs FS play into the infinite baffle output?

Looks like the desired curve for me but need 28hz?

 

[winkychevelle 10+ year member]

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Lol I remember reading that.

Ib is quite popular in Europe and I may try it in my car but I really don't want to put a serious system in that car.

Stereo integrity, acoustical elegance, Fi are all pretty popular as is the image dynamics subs. Biggest thing is to get the largest cone you can fit with the most xmax

 

[just call me KeV 10+ year member]

Fs is important to be sure. But there are other things at play. Sensitivivity, xmax, motor force, sheer cone area. I like them since it feels more natural sounding to the ear. If I were to do an enclosure again I would definitely go bandpass. 4th. I heard one with two 18's and it sounded great on all music. Suprised the hell out of me actually. I think they were Fi BTL's
Some drivers will model horrible but sound completely different in real world applications. You can analyze T/S paramaters all day. Since were really only talking about a reinforced baffle seperating the cabin, I recommend you just go for it and experiment. The results may surprise you.

 

[Jake321]

A well built IB setup with the right drivers will get you a 140. There's cats out here doing 65's on music. Which is..you know...absolutely bananas. I cant wait to see how the hobby evolves in the next 10-20 years.

Price Performance Technology (Moore's Law).

I'd be stoked if it went into the direction of infinite baffle and low FS at smaller cone area.

6.5" with an FS of 28hz. Capable of infinite baffle.

 

[Jake321]

Lol I remember reading that.

Ib is quite popular in Europe and I may try it in my car but I really don't want to put a serious system in that car.

Stereo integrity, acoustical elegance, Fi are all pretty popular as is the image dynamics subs. Biggest thing is to get the largest cone you can fit with the most xmax

The 700 series have low Xmax 15mm.
Not sure how the other specs interact though.
FS: 28.2.

Hard to believe that low 15mm Xmas would be an issue at all reviewing its output in person or in videos.

Look 144db in the video. That's not really as loud as 165 db but for the way it expresses 144 it's incredible (as a whole).

Obviously Xmax or even DB don't do it alone.

I've seen 150db in lame videos, of lame Subs.

 

[winkychevelle 10+ year member]

The 700 series have low Xmax 15mm.
Not sure how the other specs interact though.
FS: 28.2.

Hard to believe that low 15mm Xmas would be an issue at all reviewing its output in person or in videos.

Look 144db in the video. That's not really as loud as 165 db but for the way it expresses 144 it's incredible (as a whole).

Obviously Xmax or even DB don't do it alone.

I've seen 150db in lame videos, of lame Subs.

It's only 15mm of linear xmax it's probably 30mm of total one-way xmech but it starts to suffer distortion above 15mm. That's not to say you can't use the whole one way xmech and in spl setups that's what you do but linear xmax is what you look for when doing infinite baffle or any sq install.

And 145 is decently loud 150 is what I would call loud and painful above 150 is literally damaging your hearing. 155 and up is just bass competition range for me really 140-145 is pretty loud for the average person

 

[winkychevelle 10+ year member]

Fs is important to be sure. But there are other things at play. Sensitivivity, xmax, motor force, sheer cone area. I like them since it feels more natural sounding to the ear. If I were to do an enclosure again I would definitely go bandpass. 4th. I heard one with two 18's and it sounded great on all music. Suprised the hell out of me actually. I think they were Fi BTL's
Some drivers will model horrible but sound completely different in real world applications. You can analyze T/S paramaters all day. Since were really only talking about a reinforced baffle seperating the cabin, I recommend you just go for it and experiment. The results may surprise you.

4th orders are interesting for certain subs. Personally I don't care for them most of the time. Especially since they tend to hide the signs of an overpowered or unloaded/bottoming out sub which means no warning before sub damage