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[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

Oh snaps!

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[bbka 10+ year member]

you really dont know much about cars, much less driving... so i'm not concerned about your opinion.
250hp is plenty for one of these cars. i'm not drag racing, and i know how to drive. and yes these cars do need TORQUE despite what you may think.

ricer.

Lol you couldn't be more wrong. The fact is and the point I am trying to make is a stock GSR with a gt28rs turbo setup will be MUCH cheaper (thousands), make a ton more power and TORQUE, and it will OWN your gay all motor h22 or k-series setup on a road course easily.

Here are some example dynos sheets. The turbo setup powerband owns the all motor setup from 3500 rpms to redline. Look at both torques curves, is it really worth it to go all motor for a tiny bit more torque below 3500 rpms? Your rpms won't ever get that low when your road racing, so that extra tiny bit of power isn't even usable.

Built K24/K20 all motor setup (will cost a shitload of money to swap and build)

http://forums.evans-tuning.com/viewtopic.php?t=3925

Stock GSR w/gt28rs turbo kit (will cost less than just the k-series swap alone)

http://forums.evans-tuning.com/viewtopic.php?t=3615

So I just don't see why you would want to waste money on an all motor setup. Oh and I don't want to hear bs about a turbo not being good for road racing, if your car is tuned properly you will be perfectly fine. Whatever though it's your money. Go ahead and ignore me, ill be laughing when some random guy with a stock b-series motor and turbo setup that didn't spend close to what you did, does circles around your expensive all motor setup at the track lol.

 

[Fast1one 10+ year member]

Lol you couldn't be more wrong. The fact is and the point I am trying to make is a stock GSR with a gt28rs turbo setup will be MUCH cheaper (thousands), make a ton more power and TORQUE, and it will OWN your gay all motor h22 or k-series setup on a road course easily.
Here are some example dynos sheets. The turbo setup powerband owns the all motor setup from 3500 rpms to redline. Look at both torques curves, is it really worth it to go all motor for a tiny bit more torque below 3500 rpms? Your rpms won't ever get that low when your road racing, so that extra tiny bit of power isn't even usable.

Built K24/K20 all motor setup (will cost a shitload of money to swap and build)

http://forums.evans-tuning.com/viewtopic.php?t=3925

Stock GSR w/gt28rs turbo kit (will cost less than just the k-series swap alone)

http://forums.evans-tuning.com/viewtopic.php?t=3615

So I just don't see why you would want to waste money on an all motor setup. Oh and I don't want to hear bs about a turbo not being good for road racing, if your car is tuned properly you will be perfectly fine. Whatever though it's your money. Go ahead and ignore me, ill be laughing when some random guy with a stock b-series motor and turbo setup that didn't spend close to what you did, does circles around your expensive all motor setup at the track lol.

You are a retard...nothing compares to the response of an N/A setup, ESPECIALLY with ITBs. Besides, not all of us have the TIME to invest on a turbo setup. Takes WAY more time to do it right, not to mention how unreliable, unpredictable they are. Cheap power comes at a different cost, some of us would rather spend a little more cash on an N/A setup to benefit in the long run...

 

[Eugenics 5,000+ posts]

Lol you couldn't be more wrong. The fact is and the point I am trying to make is a stock GSR with a gt28rs turbo setup will be MUCH cheaper (thousands), make a ton more power and TORQUE, and it will OWN your gay all motor h22 or k-series setup on a road course easily.
Here are some example dynos sheets. The turbo setup powerband owns the all motor setup from 3500 rpms to redline. Look at both torques curves, is it really worth it to go all motor for a tiny bit more torque below 3500 rpms? Your rpms won't ever get that low when your road racing, so that extra tiny bit of power isn't even usable.

Built K24/K20 all motor setup (will cost a shitload of money to swap and build)

http://forums.evans-tuning.com/viewtopic.php?t=3925

Stock GSR w/gt28rs turbo kit (will cost less than just the k-series swap alone)

http://forums.evans-tuning.com/viewtopic.php?t=3615

So I just don't see why you would want to waste money on an all motor setup. Oh and I don't want to hear bs about a turbo not being good for road racing, if your car is tuned properly you will be perfectly fine. Whatever though it's your money. Go ahead and ignore me, ill be laughing when some random guy with a stock b-series motor and turbo setup that didn't spend close to what you did, does circles around your expensive all motor setup at the track lol.

Perhaps you dont understand preference.

Those cars would have to make everything up in the straightaway, which is fine, but i choose to drive with finesse rather than brute force.

Hondas already have a weight bias towards the front, i dont want to add to that problem.

As i have said before 250hp will be plenty for me. I dont have a penis problem, i'm not out to go in a straight line any quicker. If that were the case, i would buy an F-body and call it a day.

I enjoy all motor setups quite a bit more, i like very high revving responsive engines.

I'm not confined to your budget, i dont have to take a piece of shit and bolt on a turbo so i can race people on the highway.

I will probably be using this motor in a MR2 or something later on down the road. Once again, wont need any extra weight.

I would LOVE for you to make a thread on honda-tech and explain your point of view and be just as brash and childish as you are here. But i highly doubt you would ever have the balls to do that. You know you're a troll, a throw away, a child, a worthless piece of shit. Why do you need us to tell you?

Incase you are foolish enough to think anyone shares your point of view, please... please make a thread. You shameless pussy.

 

[bbka 10+ year member]

You are a retard...nothing compares to the response of an N/A setup, ESPECIALLY with ITBs. Besides, not all of us have the TIME to invest on a turbo setup. Takes WAY more time to do it right, not to mention how unreliable, unpredictable they are. Cheap power comes at a different cost, some of us would rather spend a little more cash on an N/A setup to benefit in the long run...

Haha whatever dude, ball bearing response owns you...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/cool.gif.3bcaf8f141236c00f8044d07150e34f7.gif

It doesn't take time to do it right, turbo setups are very reliable and predictable when you build it right, so everything you said is complete bs, but good try. Oh and in this case it's not even close to cheap power, it's VERY expensive to build a good all motor setup, but still a ton less power. That's why all motor is gay.

 

[Fast1one 10+ year member]

Haha whatever dude, ball bearing response owns you...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/cool.gif.3bcaf8f141236c00f8044d07150e34f7.gif
It doesn't take time to do it right, turbo setups are very reliable and predictable when you build it right, so everything you said is complete bs, but good try. Oh and in this case it's not even close to cheap power, it's VERY expensive to build a good all motor setup, but still a ton less power. That's why all motor is gay.

Its not all that expensive...Maxima owners have reached near 250WHP with well under 2 grand, a high displacement 4 cyl will have no problem reaching 200WHP with little monetary input...
I guess you have never been in a car with ITBs have you? Let alone driven one...Do you even know what ITBs are? Fail...

 

[bbka 10+ year member]

Bahaha, honda-tech? Come on that website is only good for pictures and bullshit, there's no good info there. But yes I wonder what would happen if I posted there? Hmm 115,000 topics in the F/I forum and only 35,000 topics in the all motor forum? Looks like the majority are in favor of turbo.

Why do you keep bringing up straight lines and drag racing? I didn't mention that at all, has nothing to do with this argument. I'm simply looking at the powerbands of the motors, and the turbo setup owns the all motor setup from about 3500 up. Response blah blah blah, ball bearing turbos spool fast as hell, with that extra power the all motor setup won't have a chance.

Haha I love it how you just go straight you bashing me, instead of sticking to the topic, maybe it's because you know I am right. The only reason your going all motor is preference, and that shows how gay you are, because like I said, all motor hondas are gay... and slow. There are some fast all motor setups, but it costs a shitload of money to make them fast, not even close to worth it after you add everything up.

 

[Eugenics 5,000+ posts]

Bahaha, honda-tech? Come on that website is only good for pictures and bullshit, there's no good info there. But yes I wonder what would happen if I posted there? Hmm 115,000 topics in the F/I forum and only 35,000 topics in the all motor forum? Looks like the majority are in favor of turbo.
Why do you keep bringing up straight lines and drag racing? I didn't mention that at all, has nothing to do with this argument. I'm simply looking at the powerbands of the motors, and the turbo setup owns the all motor setup from about 3500 up. Response blah blah blah, ball bearing turbos spool fast as hell, with that extra power the all motor setup won't have a chance.

Haha I love it how you just go straight you bashing me, instead of sticking to the topic, maybe it's because you know I am right. The only reason your going all motor is preference, and that shows how gay you are, because like I said, all motor hondas are gay... and slow. There are some fast all motor setups, but it costs a shitload of money to make them fast, not even close to worth it after you add everything up.

I actually addressed all of your points. Your bias's cripple you.

 

[bbka 10+ year member]

Its not all that expensive...Maxima owners have reached near 250WHP with well under 2 grand, a high displacement 4 cyl will have no problem reaching 200WHP with little monetary input...
I guess you have never been in a car with ITBs have you? Let alone driven one...Do you even know what ITBs are? Fail...

Were talking about hondas here buddy, specifically k-series and h-series, and yes they are very expensive. I have also drove and been in a cars with ITB's, they are loud and slow, what's your point? I have also been in plenty of cars with turbo setups, you can't really beat a properly built turbo setup. Personally I don't like fast spool, but in this case for a road course car, a fast spooling gt28rs on a 1.8L motor will own.

 

[azbass 5,000+ posts]

id still wrench on a dub..

 

[bbka 10+ year member]

Hey that's cool if that's what you want to do, it's your money your wasting. Just thought I would point out your preference is gay.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Eugenics 5,000+ posts]

Perhaps you dont understand preference.
Those cars would have to make everything up in the straightaway, which is fine, but i choose to drive with finesse rather than brute force.

Hondas already have a weight bias towards the front, i dont want to add to that problem.

As i have said before 250hp will be plenty for me. I dont have a penis problem, i'm not out to go in a straight line any quicker. If that were the case, i would buy an F-body and call it a day.

I enjoy all motor setups quite a bit more, i like very high revving responsive engines.

I'm not confined to your budget, i dont have to take a piece of shit and bolt on a turbo so i can race people on the highway.

I will probably be using this motor in a MR2 or something later on down the road. Once again, wont need any extra weight.

I would LOVE for you to make a thread on honda-tech and explain your point of view and be just as brash and childish as you are here. But i highly doubt you would ever have the balls to do that. You know you're a troll, a throw away, a child, a worthless piece of shit. Why do you need us to tell you?

Incase you are foolish enough to think anyone shares your point of view, please... please make a thread. You shameless pussy.

Were talking about hondas here buddy, specifically k-series and h-series, and yes they are very expensive. I have also drove and been in a cars with ITB's, they are loud and slow, what's your point? I have also been in plenty of cars with turbo setups, you can't really beat a properly built turbo setup. Personally I don't like fast spool, but in this case for a road course car, a fast spooling gt28rs on a 1.8L motor will own.

I would like to give you a moment to look at your sig and reflect.

 

[Eugenics 5,000+ posts]

Hey that's cool if that's what you want to do, it's your money your wasting. Just thought I would point out your preference is gay.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Not entirely, i've experimented with girls too.

 

[bbka 10+ year member]

I don't believe you have experimented with girls... chics with diks don't count. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

A k-series setup in a light vx/cx hatch would actually be fun to build, then when I think about how much it would cost to build right, I realize it's just a honda and say F that's a waste lol.

 

[Fast1one 10+ year member]

Slow ITBs? Buahahaha....either your lying out of your *** that you've sat in one (more than likely), Or the install was shitty...Yes they are loud, so what thats a freakin plus. They sound bad *** //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif Of course they are slower than a turbocharged car, NO SHIT. We were NEVER IMPLYING that they were faster, some of us have PREFERENCES and would rather drive an N/A car. Do you finally get it? Its not always about whats faster...you just can't get that through your skull...

Thanks for playing, I'm done with you. You ignorance is just too much to take at this point...