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[negativezeroz 5,000+ posts]

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[negativezeroz 5,000+ posts]

Lol you couldn't be more wrong. The fact is and the point I am trying to make is a stock GSR with a gt28rs turbo setup will be MUCH cheaper (thousands), make a ton more power and TORQUE, and it will OWN your gay all motor h22 or k-series setup on a road course easily.
Here are some example dynos sheets. The turbo setup powerband owns the all motor setup from 3500 rpms to redline. Look at both torques curves, is it really worth it to go all motor for a tiny bit more torque below 3500 rpms? Your rpms won't ever get that low when your road racing, so that extra tiny bit of power isn't even usable.

Built K24/K20 all motor setup (will cost a shitload of money to swap and build)

http://forums.evans-tuning.com/viewtopic.php?t=3925

Stock GSR w/gt28rs turbo kit (will cost less than just the k-series swap alone)

http://forums.evans-tuning.com/viewtopic.php?t=3615

So I just don't see why you would want to waste money on an all motor setup. Oh and I don't want to hear bs about a turbo not being good for road racing, if your car is tuned properly you will be perfectly fine. Whatever though it's your money. Go ahead and ignore me, ill be laughing when some random guy with a stock b-series motor and turbo setup that didn't spend close to what you did, does circles around your expensive all motor setup at the track lol.

If that B18C1 was NA, the K would ****. A K20Z3 stock motor with AJP Stage 3 kit, running 15psi pushes over 430whp. So don't even try to compare turbo to NA.

 

[Skip01 5,000+ posts]

If that B18C1 was NA, the K would ****. A K20Z3 stock motor with AJP Stage 3 kit, running 15psi pushes over 430whp. So don't even try to compare turbo to NA.

He was comparing the responses of the diff type of power...which doesnt really work out...the all motor makes 30tq more at 2000 rpm....where it all matters.

True a GT28RS would prolly be closest to the responsiveness of a good allmotor car but it wont equal it ever.

He wants allmotor no point in trying to change his opinion when ur own car is turboed...bias.

And i dont see it costing more.

When you take into account of a properly built turbo engine and same for a allmotor...its about the same....no matter if you spend your money on a $800 manifold/turbo...or $800 cams/pistons

With Turbo you can take alooooooot a short cuts to save you but youll be paying for that in maintence down the road so its all equal.

 

[Fast1one 10+ year member]

He was comparing the responses of the diff type of power...which doesnt really work out...the all motor makes 30tq more at 2000 rpm....where it all matters.
True a GT28RS would prolly be closest to the responsiveness of a good allmotor car but it wont equal it ever.

He wants allmotor no point in trying to change his opinion when ur own car is turboed...bias.

And i dont see it costing more.

When you take into account of a properly built turbo engine and same for a allmotor...its about the same....no matter if you spend your money on a $800 manifold/turbo...or $800 cams/pistons

With Turbo you can take alooooooot a short cuts to save you but youll be paying for that in maintence down the road so its all equal.

Well said...not to mention the simple law: Complexity=higher probability of something failing. Turbocharged cars have more stuff that can break on them, its simple fact.

 

[bbka 10+ year member]

Slow ITBs? Buahahaha....either your lying out of your *** that you've sat in one (more than likely), Or the install was shitty...Yes they are loud, so what thats a freakin plus. They sound bad *** //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif Of course they are slower than a turbocharged car, NO SHIT. We were NEVER IMPLYING that they were faster, some of us have PREFERENCES and would rather drive an N/A car. Do you finally get it? Its not always about whats faster...you just can't get that through your skull...
Thanks for playing, I'm done with you. You ignorance is just too much to take at this point...

Why would I lie about driving a car with ITB's lol? Dude I get it, you prefer slow expensive all motor cars, it's cool. You just waste your time with that, then when you want to step up to a real setup and go turbo, you will know what I am talking about. What do you mean it's not always about what is faster? That's the whole point of why anybody builds their motor (all motor, turbo, etc...) to make it faster lol.

Yeah I'm ignorant, that's it lol. I actually just bought a motor the other day that I will be building an all motor setup for. I thought about building homemade ITB's for it eventually, but that's more money and work for not a lot of power, so I decided against that. This is just a daily driver and it's basically a normal rebuild with higher comp OEM pistons and a cam. I'm doing as much of it myself as I can and cheap, less than $1,000 into the whole project including the motor/****** is my goal. I'm not wasting that much money on this beater haha.

 

[negativezeroz 5,000+ posts]

He was comparing the responses of the diff type of power...which doesnt really work out...the all motor makes 30tq more at 2000 rpm....where it all matters.
True a GT28RS would prolly be closest to the responsiveness of a good allmotor car but it wont equal it ever.

He wants allmotor no point in trying to change his opinion when ur own car is turboed...bias.

And i dont see it costing more.

When you take into account of a properly built turbo engine and same for a allmotor...its about the same....no matter if you spend your money on a $800 manifold/turbo...or $800 cams/pistons

With Turbo you can take alooooooot a short cuts to save you but youll be paying for that in maintence down the road so its all equal.

I am not turbo'd //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif when I got F/I, I will be going with a S/C (RedShift possibly).

I was just stating the fact that he is taking a quick spooling, power adding turbo ontop of a stock motor. Me, I'd rather have a nice built NA then add a S/C ontop of the built motor. Sure, more $$ but will handle the F/I a lottttttt better. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/cool.gif.3bcaf8f141236c00f8044d07150e34f7.gif

 

[bbka 10+ year member]

"Skip01" That 30ft/lbs at 2k doesn't mean anything lol, that's power that will never be used. Oh and I'm sure you noticed how fast that power tappered up, let's not forget that. I'm not trying to change his mind, just poiting out his setup will be gay and slow. I don't like the guy, plain and simple. I am a litlte bias, but I did just buy a motor the other day, I will be going all motor with that setup. The only difference is I am doing it cheap, not wasting thousads like Eugenics.

Don't even try to tell me the cost will eventually be the same. If were talking about building just the motors? Yes that part is the same (pistons, rods, sleeves, etc... all the same) but that's not what I am talking about. There will be no need to build the motor with the turbo setup, it will be fine stock. A good all motor setup? You going to be spending a few thousand on just headwork easily, which will be about how much a decent turbo setup will cost lol.

That extra maintenance down the road doesn't really apply. If things break, that means you did something wrong when building the motor, it wasn't tuned properly, or you pushed a part past their breaking point. Build the turbo setup and motor right then tune it properly, you won't have any problems. I have seen tons of people blow all motor setups, yet my turbo setup and motor has lasted years...

Like I said, I just don't like Eugenics. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif I am getting tired of this thread though, I think I will just find another post to rip on him in.

 

[Fast1one 10+ year member]

He still going at it? I have him on ignore what did he say? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[Acidburn 5,000+ posts]

geo metro + mid-mounted SBC = something, maybe FTW, maybe FTL, i'unno

who ate my cookies?

 

[Eugenics 5,000+ posts]

"Skip01" That 30ft/lbs at 2k doesn't mean anything lol, that's power that will never be used. Oh and I'm sure you noticed how fast that power tappered up, let's not forget that. I'm not trying to change his mind, just poiting out his setup will be gay and slow. I don't like the guy, plain and simple. I am a litlte bias, but I did just buy a motor the other day, I will be going all motor with that setup. The only difference is I am doing it cheap, not wasting thousads like Eugenics.
Don't even try to tell me the cost will eventually be the same. If were talking about building just the motors? Yes that part is the same (pistons, rods, sleeves, etc... all the same) but that's not what I am talking about. There will be no need to build the motor with the turbo setup, it will be fine stock. A good all motor setup? You going to be spending a few thousand on just headwork easily, which will be about how much a decent turbo setup will cost lol.

That extra maintenance down the road doesn't really apply. If things break, that means you did something wrong when building the motor, it wasn't tuned properly, or you pushed a part past their breaking point. Build the turbo setup and motor right then tune it properly, you won't have any problems. I have seen tons of people blow all motor setups, yet my turbo setup and motor has lasted years...

Like I said, I just don't like Eugenics. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif I am getting tired of this thread though, I think I will just find another post to rip on him in.

someones got a little penis envy. And who's to say i can't lower the compression ratio and turbo the motor later on down the road?

you rock a d block, dont talk to me about a waste.

 

[bbka 10+ year member]

you rock a d block, dont talk to me about a waste.

Bahaha the D16 came in the car, so it was free. I only spent about $1100 on the whole turbo kit. I more than doubled the horsepower at the wheels and ran mid 12's on the stock motor. Oh and it's still running great years later, good try though lol...

 

[Fast1one 10+ year member]

someones got a little penis envy. And who's to say i can't lower the compression ratio and turbo the motor later on down the road?
you rock a d block, dont talk to me about a waste.

Lol...
Hey one thing you want to consider whether turbo or otherwise is the greddy e-manage ultimate. Im planning on getting one in a couple years...a bargain at well under 1000 for the whole setup...two stage rev limiter is teh ***!

 

[bbka 10+ year member]

Lol...
Hey one thing you want to consider whether turbo or otherwise is the greddy e-manage ultimate. Im planning on getting one in a couple years...a bargain at well under 1000 for the whole setup...two stage rev limiter is teh ***!

I'm guessing your obd2 if you thinking about emange? It's just a piggyback dude, so compared to the options out there, it's not that great. A better and much cheaper option would be converting to obd1 and running a chipped ecu with Crome. For those of you that don't know what Crome is, it's basically free Hondata. Crome Pro is like $150, so still not nearly as much as Hondata. Unless your running a full stand alone, chipping your ECU is the way to go.

 

[Fast1one 10+ year member]

I'm guessing your obd2 if you thinking about emange? It's just a piggyback dude, so compared to the options out there, it's not that great. A better and much cheaper option would be converting to obd1 and running a chipped ecu with Crome. For those of you that don't know what Crome is, it's basically free Hondata. Crome Pro is like $150, so still not nearly as much as Hondata. Unless your running a full stand alone, chipping your ECU is the way to go.

I'll take you off ignore for now, as this is getting entertaining...
I am aware that it is a piggyback ECU, a good one at that. Some of us would rather keep our cars smog legal (cali is a *****) and converting to OBD1 would be a retarded move. You have to understand the drivablility aspect of every option your putting forward. Your not considering that most of us drive our car's on the street, and crooked smog shops here in Cali are becoming more and more rare. And no I am not moving out of Cali, brace yourself though because a lot of the CARB laws enforced currently here are making there way to other states.

Even so, the e-manage has has a lot more features than a reprogrammed ECU will ever have.

Yes I do enjoy my slow N/A power, its so sexy...O and BTW, N/A power Maxima FTW. Currently the record is 12.4 in the quarter for an auto FAMILY SEDAN //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/naughty.gif.94359f346c0f1259df8038d60b41863e.gif

 

[Skip01 5,000+ posts]

"Skip01" That 30ft/lbs at 2k doesn't mean anything lol, that's power that will never be used. Oh and I'm sure you noticed how fast that power tappered up, let's not forget that. I'm not trying to change his mind, just poiting out his setup will be gay and slow. I don't like the guy, plain and simple. I am a litlte bias, but I did just buy a motor the other day, I will be going all motor with that setup. The only difference is I am doing it cheap, not wasting thousads like Eugenics.
Don't even try to tell me the cost will eventually be the same. If were talking about building just the motors? Yes that part is the same (pistons, rods, sleeves, etc... all the same) but that's not what I am talking about. There will be no need to build the motor with the turbo setup, it will be fine stock. A good all motor setup? You going to be spending a few thousand on just headwork easily, which will be about how much a decent turbo setup will cost lol.

That extra maintenance down the road doesn't really apply. If things break, that means you did something wrong when building the motor, it wasn't tuned properly, or you pushed a part past their breaking point. Build the turbo setup and motor right then tune it properly, you won't have any problems. I have seen tons of people blow all motor setups, yet my turbo setup and motor has lasted years...

Like I said, I just don't like Eugenics. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif I am getting tired of this thread though, I think I will just find another post to rip on him in.

How does any amount torque never matter in a 4cyl....we need all we can get.

Like you said...your doin it cheap.....and i said if both motors were built.

Theres no need to build a turbo motor?.....ask anyone who has had a turbo motor longer than a year if they could go back and change anything and youll see the horrible truth.

Things break when a motor has any added stress put to it.....regardless of if you did it right or not....that said,if you do it right itll last longer but not forever

Both allmotor and turbo have a cheap route of goin at it.

You can get LS/Vtec setup to over 200hp for id say around 3k built nicely

Same said you can get a LS motor and boost the shit outt it and make a lot of power for a lil while for not that expensive.

Its all in where you look and where you buy.... cant compare a allmotor setup to your homemadeturbo.com pieced together kit....never gonna equal a normal buyers spending

I dont know where your spending thousands of dollars on "headwork"....but a port and polish at any machine shop around here is a few hunderd bucks last time i asked.

But ill stop talking now this is getting nowhere very fast...unlike a d16 with 12psi hehe