New battery(s)

[young_gun 10+ year member]

I'm thinking of getting two Kinetik HC600's and wiring them together for my system. (right now a little under 2000w RMS w/the new high/mid amp) I'd get them one at a time, could one of these little HC600's run my truck sufficiently? They say 850 crankin amps, anyone use a smaller one like this singlely before? I know guys run the 2400s but I dont need that much or have $$$ for them. I can get the HC600s for ~$90 from millionbuy. Suggestions?

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[young_gun 10+ year member]

Edit: Ok, just looked at a 2400 from millionbuy, two 600's would be a/b $190 and the 2400 is only $210, is the 2400 worth the wait of a few more weeks saving money?

 

[young_gun 10+ year member]

What you think a/b the two 600s vs the one 2400

 

[thylantyr 10+ year member]

Choosing a battery depends on how you use your audio system. With vehicle running or listening to tunes with the engine off mostly. There are other variables

you didn't post to make a better assessment.

My approach isn't to buy expensive batteries first. I look at the vehicle and see

what the maximum physical size battery I can cram in there even if I have to cut

some things to make it fit. If you have room for two big batteries, then sweet.

The idea is use a standard battery or marine battery oversized and get a good price. Don't buy online, go to the store and buy one, get the warranty and when you thrash the battery over time, get a free-bee replacement. I did this twice with my Sears battery. They did a free exchange after they test the battery unable to hold a charge due to torture/failure. If you buy online, how will you execute a warranty exchange without spending alot of money

shipping it ?

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Choosing a battery depends on how you use your audio system. With vehicle running or listening to tunes with the engine off mostly. There are other variablesyou didn't post to make a better assessment.

My approach isn't to buy expensive batteries first. I look at the vehicle and see

what the maximum physical size battery I can cram in there even if I have to cut

some things to make it fit. If you have room for two big batteries, then sweet.

The idea is use a standard battery or marine battery oversized and get a good price. Don't buy online, go to the store and buy one, get the warranty and when you thrash the battery over time, get a free-bee replacement. I did this twice with my Sears battery. They did a free exchange after they test the battery unable to hold a charge due to torture/failure. If you buy online, how will you execute a warranty exchange without spending alot of money

shipping it ?

lol get a bad battery just to ruin it and whatever maybe hooked up too it doesnt sound like much of a plan....

to the original poster the 600's are good for 600 watts each 2400 is good for 2400 watts each....

there are big differences in batteries and when some person pulls off radom "knowledge" they read off some site they just figure part of what is said holds true for everything without knowing what or how they came up to their conclussion to begin with. kinetik agm cell has less than 1/4 the resistance of a comparable wet cell (that is also called esr) what makes up esr is the chemical reaction that takes place to make the battery work. i dont understand why people use leaky old toxic batteries and think they are as good just because someone who just says it works makes it as good. imo its like saying yuh ill take that there pyramid amp over that there sundown amp and get a 5 yr warranty on the pyramid that way when i misuse it and blow it up i can get another! (i wouldnt do this i am just saying just do it right the first time)

 

[hoodkid 10+ year member]

Edit: Ok, just looked at a 2400 from millionbuy, two 600's would be a/b $190 and the 2400 is only $210, is the 2400 worth the wait of a few more weeks saving money?

oops n/m

 

[thylantyr 10+ year member]

lol get a bad battery just to ruin it and whatever maybe hooked up too it doesnt sound like much of a plan....

I never made a recommendation to buy a bad battery. There are many capable

batteries without a fancy brand name.

kinetik agm cell has less than 1/4 the resistance of a comparable wet cell (that is also called esr)

I rely on published specs to start the quest for which product to use.

I need help to find out my questions regarding this brand, I can't seem

to locate the data on their website. Do you have the data?

Kinetik says;

* Ultra Low ESR

What is the ESR?

* Higher Voltage Under Load

What is the voltage and at what load?

* Ah: 128

5 hour or 20 hour spec ? which one is it ?

* Amps: 2600

What is 2600A based on ?

I'd like to get this data and compare it to a standard battery of the same

size.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

lol get a bad battery just to ruin it and whatever maybe hooked up too it doesnt sound like much of a plan....
I never made a recommendation to buy a bad battery. There are many capable

batteries without a fancy brand name.

kinetik agm cell has less than 1/4 the resistance of a comparable wet cell (that is also called esr)

I rely on published specs to start the quest for which product to use.

I need help to find out my questions regarding this brand, I can't seem

to locate the data on their website. Do you have the data?

Kinetik says;

* Ultra Low ESR

What is the ESR? depending on model 2-4 mohm

* Higher Voltage Under Load

What is the voltage and at what load? mine rests at 13v

* Ah: 128

5 hour or 20 hour spec ? which one is it ? c/20

* Amps: 2600

What is 2600A based on ?

I'd like to get this data and compare it to a standard battery of the same

size.

http://www.kinetikaudio.com/manuals/khccells.pdf there be more info there.

i only worked there too //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif kinetik is marketed towards audio so they dont post CCA as i dont think anyone wants to see how loud they may burp at 32 degrees F.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

also so i dont sound any more insulting (was just being blunt) you can take the same automotive info from other agm style batteries (optima and oddyssey) and come up with the same conclusion that agm style pretty well out do wet cells. thing with optima they dont have the capacity that alot of the others do because they have less plate area thus is also why they are alot lighter than other batteries of the same size its a 6 pack vs a brick

 

[thylantyr 10+ year member]

Based on data so far.

Kinetik HC2400.

* MSRP = $449

* 69 pounds

* 13" x 6.7" x 8.5"

* CA = 1700

* 128 AH

* Burst Amps 2600

** Questions *****************************

1. The 2600A burst rating is an incomplete definition. What are the test conditions to yield this result?

2. I see no ESR spec.

****************************************

** Assumptions ***************************

1. Lets assume the 128 AH rating is a 20 hour AH rating.

2. It has a 1700 CA rating, so maybe we can calculate ESR for that test condition

of 32 degrees F. According to the CA specification, the battery will deliver 1700A

for 30 seconds and maintain a voltage of at at least 7.2 volts.

I calculate ESR under this conditon at 0.0042 ohms.

*****************************************

** Any other battery choices? **

I haven't looked very hard.. here's one.

* 65 pound battery, similar weight as HC2400

* CA = 1400 {less than HC2400 which is 1700}

* 200 AH {higher than HC2400 which is 128}

Calculated ESR is 0.0051 ohms, slightly higher than the HC2400

which it's 0.0042 ohm.

** Random **

1. An AGM marine battery [different brand] that weighs 67 pounds has a CA rating of 820, AH rating of

130, reserve capacity of 225 minutes @ 25A draw, 57 minutes @ 75A draw,

has a calculated ESR of 0.0087 ohms.

2. Two of those marine batteries in parallel would yield;

* CA = 1640

* 260 AH

* RC 450 minutes @ 25A, 114 minutes @ 75A

* Calculated ESR of 0.0043 ohms

** Final Words**

The application is important. What do you want the battery to do best at? Many are optimized for

different applications. Can you cram extra batteries in the vehicle? If so, a standard cheap battery

might do well because you have an array of them.

 

[young_gun 10+ year member]

Well um wow at the knowledge/flaming that went on here. Well to the people that had/have relative information to my post thank you. I dont want to consider other batteries, I'm pretty set on the Kinetiks. So would I be right to say that the 2400 would be better than the two 600's? And would one 2400 (for now, if i need to get a second one I can later, but right now, will one suffice) hold up to my ~2000w rms and a 200 amp alternator? Btw, the truck is a 1984 1/2 ton single cab pickup. I play the stereo mostly w/the truck running but on the rare weekend I will parking lot beat it with the truck off. Does any of that help?

 

[thylantyr 10+ year member]

Well um wow at the knowledge/flaming that went on here.

There is no flaming. Just looking at data.

to my ~2000w rms and a 200 amp alternator?

If you are just playing music with mostly the truck running, 200A ALT,

any cheap battery can do the job, so any Kinetik will do the job.

but on the rare weekend I will parking lot beat it with the truck off.

Truck off means you need a battery with high reserve capacity and high AH

ratings if you want to operate for long periods of time. This places strain

on any battery. One idea to be immune to this problem is to

install dual batteries, one dedicated for the stereo system and the other

battery is a regular battery to start the truck. You need a battery isolated installed.

If you drain the stereo battery, you can still start the truck.

 

[young_gun 10+ year member]

but on the rare weekend I will parking lot beat it with the truck off.

Truck off means you need a battery with high reserve capacity and high AH

ratings if you want to operate for long periods of time. This places strain

on any battery. One idea to be immune to this problem is to

install dual batteries, one dedicated for the stereo system and the other

battery is a regular battery to start the truck. You need a battery isolated installed.

If you drain the stereo battery, you can still start the truck.

Yea I know a/b dual setups and isolators, I usually dont play it that much w/out the truck on. I was just making sure a 2400 would handle that occasional duty //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Based on data so far.
Kinetik HC2400.

* MSRP = $449

* 69 pounds

* 13" x 6.7" x 8.5"

* CA = 1700

* 128 AH

* Burst Amps 2600

** Questions *****************************

1. The 2600A burst rating is an incomplete definition. What are the test conditions to yield this result?

2. I see no ESR spec.

****************************************

** Assumptions ***************************

1. Lets assume the 128 AH rating is a 20 hour AH rating.

2. It has a 1700 CA rating, so maybe we can calculate ESR for that test condition

of 32 degrees F. According to the CA specification, the battery will deliver 1700A

for 30 seconds and maintain a voltage of at at least 7.2 volts.

I calculate ESR under this conditon at 0.0042 ohms.

*****************************************

** Any other battery choices? **

I haven't looked very hard.. here's one.

* 65 pound battery, similar weight as HC2400

* CA = 1400 {less than HC2400 which is 1700}

* 200 AH {higher than HC2400 which is 128}

Calculated ESR is 0.0051 ohms, slightly higher than the HC2400

which it's 0.0042 ohm.

** Random **

1. An AGM marine battery [different brand] that weighs 67 pounds has a CA rating of 820, AH rating of

130, reserve capacity of 225 minutes @ 25A draw, 57 minutes @ 75A draw,

has a calculated ESR of 0.0087 ohms.

2. Two of those marine batteries in parallel would yield;

* CA = 1640

* 260 AH

* RC 450 minutes @ 25A, 114 minutes @ 75A

* Calculated ESR of 0.0043 ohms

** Final Words**

The application is important. What do you want the battery to do best at? Many are optimized for

different applications. Can you cram extra batteries in the vehicle? If so, a standard cheap battery

might do well because you have an array of them.

lol someone woke up grumpy.... i almost thought you were gonna run down plate specs lol and plate model numbers hehe

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Yea I know a/b dual setups and isolators, I usually dont play it that much w/out the truck on. I was just making sure a 2400 would handle that occasional duty //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

it would be fine.