Loudest 12" SPL sub for 1600W RMS

Ive gotta admit it that I do love the box and the design, and I would keep with that setup. But with that being said, get another amp. IMO, you will notice some slightly bigger drops in voltage once you start seeing a more powerful amp that pushes close to what you think the Hifonics is. I would like to see a Sundown Saz1500, a DC 2K, a Crescendo 2k, or something along the lines of 2k @1ohm (yes I know your impedence is at 2 ohms). I like Hifonics, don't get me wrong, and I believe that for the price they are very solid amplifiers, but what you are looking for that hifonics will not cut it. The first time you hook up a true powerhouse amp such as the few I mentioned (along with countless others on here), you will see what we are saying. Give yourself some more power than you need, that way you have it now so if you ever upgrade subs you won't have to upgrade the amp. Best of luck, and thanks for joining the forum!!!

 
first off impedance doesnt just rise. impedance rise is most often refered to in SPL competitions because they play their subs at a certain frequency. they measure what the load rises to and then can add more subs, add more power, or whatever they want.

on music impedance rises and falls. its called a "reactive" load. all the numbers im about to spout off are arbitrary(they dont mean **** except to make this example work). say you wire your sub to 2 ohms. using a multimeter with the sub at rest it will read ~2 ohms. now, using that same sub hook the miultimeter to the coil(s) and push down on the cone. what happens? the impedance CHANGES. and chances are it rose. now say you put that sub in a box and played a 30hz tone. you measure the impedance across the terminals while the tone is playing and most likley(depending on what sub you have, what enclosure type you have, and a few other factors) you will see an impadance HIGHER than 2 ohms, lets say 4 ohms for shits and giggles. now you play a 60hz tone. read the impedance again and you will most likley see an impedance LOWER than 4 ohms and possibly(again, depending on sub,enclosure, blah blah) lower than 2 ohms.

the real fun starts when you play a tone and add in kick drum or play two tones at once. ive played with reading impedance on music a bit and my "4" ohm woofer read as high as 16 ohms on music. now keep in mind multi-meters arent exactly the eaisest things to get an accurate impedance read on, so the actual impedance might have only been as high as ~12 ohms constant with a fast peak to 16 ohms. BUT that same 4 ohm woofer also read as low as 1.5 ohms.

everyone needs to realize that impedance is NOT a one way street. it rises and falls. the ONLY time you can use rise to your advantage(aka running a 1 ohm stable amp at .25 ohm nominal) is in the lanes.

oh, and one more thing. you may "set" you amp to put out 1200W at 2 ohms. but in reality you wont see more than 1/4-1/3 of that much power on music(except decaf or boosted songs). setting your gain with a -3 or -7DB tone can help you make up for this, but BEWARE OF CLIPPING. invest in an O-Scope(preferably) or SMD-DD1 to make sure you arent sending a clipped signal to your sub or speakers.

Matt

 
first off impedance doesnt just rise. impedance rise is most often refered to in SPL competitions because they play their subs at a certain frequency. they measure what the load rises to and then can add more subs, add more power, or whatever they want.
on music impedance rises and falls. its called a "reactive" load. all the numbers im about to spout off are arbitrary(they dont mean **** except to make this example work). say you wire your sub to 2 ohms. using a multimeter with the sub at rest it will read ~2 ohms. now, using that same sub hook the miultimeter to the coil(s) and push down on the cone. what happens? the impedance CHANGES. and chances are it rose. now say you put that sub in a box and played a 30hz tone. you measure the impedance across the terminals while the tone is playing and most likley(depending on what sub you have, what enclosure type you have, and a few other factors) you will see an impadance HIGHER than 2 ohms, lets say 4 ohms for shits and giggles. now you play a 60hz tone. read the impedance again and you will most likley see an impedance LOWER than 4 ohms and possibly(again, depending on sub,enclosure, blah blah) lower than 2 ohms.

the real fun starts when you play a tone and add in kick drum or play two tones at once. ive played with reading impedance on music a bit and my "4" ohm woofer read as high as 16 ohms on music. now keep in mind multi-meters arent exactly the eaisest things to get an accurate impedance read on, so the actual impedance might have only been as high as ~12 ohms constant with a fast peak to 16 ohms. BUT that same 4 ohm woofer also read as low as 1.5 ohms.

everyone needs to realize that impedance is NOT a one way street. it rises and falls. the ONLY time you can use rise to your advantage(aka running a 1 ohm stable amp at .25 ohm nominal) is in the lanes.

oh, and one more thing. you may "set" you amp to put out 1200W at 2 ohms. but in reality you wont see more than 1/4-1/3 of that much power on music(except decaf or boosted songs). setting your gain with a -3 or -7DB tone can help you make up for this, but BEWARE OF CLIPPING. invest in an O-Scope(preferably) or SMD-DD1 to make sure you arent sending a clipped signal to your sub or speakers.

Matt
This is the exact reason why so many people wire below 1 ohm.

 
Maybe if you use bad gear or have bad electrical. Wiring down to .5 or lower on a 2k plus amp can usually net you a nice increase in output.
define "nice increase" please. the reality of it is this: run a SAZ-3500 at 1 ohm and get 3500W run that same amp at .5 ohm and get MAYBE 4000W. the only diference? the 4K is alot dirtier, at least twice as hard on your electrical, and almost 4 times as hard on your amp. there really is no benefit to running amps that low besides a "gain" in output. but you would be better off buying a pair of cheap amps that already put out dirty power and strapping them. costs less for the same dirty power...

disagree all you want, but running ANY amp below its "rated" impedance(the ONLY possible exception would be old school "cheater" amps. but im assuming we are talking about newer equipment) results in mediocre gains of power at the cost of efficency and a clean signal.

Matt

 
define "nice increase" please. the reality of it is this: run a SAZ-3500 at 1 ohm and get 3500W run that same amp at .5 ohm and get MAYBE 4000W. the only diference? the 4K is alot dirtier, at least twice as hard on your electrical, and almost 4 times as hard on your amp. there really is no benefit to running amps that low besides a "gain" in output. but you would be better off buying a pair of cheap amps that already put out dirty power and strapping them. costs less for the same dirty power...
disagree all you want, but running ANY amp below its "rated" impedance(the ONLY possible exception would be old school "cheater" amps. but im assuming we are talking about newer equipment) results in mediocre gains of power at the cost of efficency and a clean signal.

Matt
I would say running .5 ohms isn't twice as hard on your electrical more like 1.5. Anyways lets say you're wired down to .25 and are at 3-4% THD. If you are obvious a sq guy that would be a no no or even for daily ground pounding but, if you are mainly or purely spl it really doesn't matter. The amp will be pushed for maybe 10 seconds if you are purely going for competition spl scores. Even if you want to demo at that wiring I would think anyone running that low has great electrical and maybe even additional amplifer cooling. The small increase in power you will gain will be much larger when you put in rise as a factor. That being said I think the gains for running below 1 ohm far out way the cons of it if you are chasing numbers. Also it seems that each year amps just get better when it comes to the ability to run below 1 ohm.

 
define "nice increase" please. the reality of it is this: run a SAZ-3500 at 1 ohm and get 3500W run that same amp at .5 ohm and get MAYBE 4000W. the only diference? the 4K is alot dirtier, at least twice as hard on your electrical, and almost 4 times as hard on your amp. there really is no benefit to running amps that low besides a "gain" in output. but you would be better off buying a pair of cheap amps that already put out dirty power and strapping them. costs less for the same dirty power...
disagree all you want, but running ANY amp below its "rated" impedance(the ONLY possible exception would be old school "cheater" amps. but im assuming we are talking about newer equipment) results in mediocre gains of power at the cost of efficency and a clean signal.

Matt
Not everyone is out for sq bro .. Ill never wire at 1 ohm if I don't have too .. .5 lets me see so much more from the amps I use .. And is perfect for daily .. Not dirty power .. Not hard on my electrical .. Korean amps + low loads daily = //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
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