The Arc SE amps are great can't say enough about the amps! The speaker yeah I didn't like the placement either but did not have enough room for kicks neither did I want to cut into my doors too new of a car only 12000 miles on it. And yeah Don I take off the mesh grill and show pics of the Elates underneath my seats tonight. But yeah overall Im very very happy with my setup. And to answer questions about the LC8 it didn't work too well in my car. THe LC8 couldn't catch full signal in my car. But when used in my wifes RSX just to test out the unit it worked perfect. The LC8 will be up for sale once I make a new board for my car so anyone want it let me know. The rainbows though paired up with the Arc amps are so freaking clear I can't believe it, man just can't say enough about the rainbows either they are freaking awsome! The Arc Flatlines are great SQL woofers and I have been through W7,IDMAX,etc... I like the Flatlines most they can get very loud and can do it without missing any beats at least to my ears //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif. Don maybe in 3-4 months Im probably gonna step it up to the reference lol!