Latest box design 4 SA-8s

I had mine 34-35hz and they extended into the high 20s and up into the 50s-60s very well
alright I will look at that and recalculate box size..

trade for my solo x and cash???? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif
man it would have to be a lot of cash.. Only reason I am changing setups is to get a less powerful one.. Doctor said if I continue at this pace I will be deaf by the years end.. Even at volume 1 they are louder than a btl at full tilt

lol

 
man it would have to be a lot of cash.. Only reason I am changing setups is to get a less powerful one.. Doctor said if I continue at this pace I will be deaf by the years end.. Even at volume 1 they are louder than a btl at full tilt








lol

those silly doctors. bet if you turned them pioneers up to about 7 on the deck you will blow your tailgate off... and idk if i have that much cash to trade. what if i offered one of my kids??

 
It wont be tuning so much as chamber volume and cabin gain thatll change your upper end here. You have the subs up which is good, port should be drivers side for best gain (always in a corner!)

 
those silly doctors. bet if you turned them pioneers up to about 7 on the deck you will blow your tailgate off... and idk if i have that much cash to trade. what if i offered one of my kids??
They like peanut butter? Lmao

It wont be tuning so much as chamber volume and cabin gain thatll change your upper end here. You have the subs up which is good, port should be drivers side for best gain (always in a corner!)
port is drivers side and in a corner? So are you saying that 4 cubes with a 34-35hz tuning would not have a good range

 
Sorry - had to leave quickly as I replied. Just trust me, you want the port on the passenger side. If not, you can always flip it. But I bet my bottom dollar itll be better over there for you.

And a cube per SA-8 is freaking gigantic. They have a VAS of practically nothing and low Q.. if youre looking for a good low end peak, the .5-.6 is good. If youre looking for a smooth response to work well with your cabin and still have good extension, then .4 or so per will work best.

Edit - just verified this. 1.6 for all 4 @ 35hz give a perfectly flat response and a smooth rolloff. Will work well in cabin with gain as you have the best configuration setup. Not to mention this should sound more pleasing to the ear than the larger boomier enclosure, unless that is your preference.

 
Port is on the wrong side, and most likely the box you have there will give you a very heavy low end if thats what youre after.
It wont be tuning so much as chamber volume and cabin gain thatll change your upper end here. You have the subs up which is good, port should be drivers side for best gain (always in a corner!)
Sorry - had to leave quickly as I replied. Just trust me, you want the port on the passenger side. If not, you can always flip it. But I bet my bottom dollar itll be better over there for you.
And a cube per SA-8 is freaking gigantic. They have a VAS of practically nothing and low Q.. if youre looking for a good low end peak, the .5-.6 is good. If youre looking for a smooth response to work well with your cabin and still have good extension, then .4 or so per will work best.

Edit - just verified this. 1.6 for all 4 @ 35hz give a perfectly flat response and a smooth rolloff. Will work well in cabin with gain as you have the best configuration setup. Not to mention this should sound more pleasing to the ear than the larger boomier enclosure, unless that is your preference.

so you are sure on the port lol..

flat response and smooth rolloff are nice but would it still get loud? This isn't for SQ but if it can still sound good while getting loud that would be great.. looking to do 140+ in the LOW 30s

 
Then you may build it bigger for a peak at the low end.. but youll lose some perceived upper end in trade off. May end up with one of those "one note wonder" type daily systems, which is a personal pet peeve of mine but everyone has a preference.

 
I have to add this......the positioning of the drivers is just as important as the positioning of the port, considering the port will likely have more lowend extension for the total reponse and the driver, being exposed to the environment, will make up the high end extension from front wave propagation. That being said, without determining the actual gain of that vehicle, one cannot determine the optimum positioning when both driver and port contribute to the response. Now, also it has to be pointed out that low frequency resonance will have less directive sound within a vehicle, especially if the port allows for extended time interval of the operating frequencies. In other words, though I would have to see the interior of the enclosure to determine this, the resonances that exist there will likely cause an omnidirectional sound near tuning. And though cabin gain will always control the response outside the enclosure, with these existing resonances along with the drivers being installed across the enclosure to the passenger side, I would not believe port position will have as much issue as you may believe i n this design. Now, if the box does not exhibit resonances beyond 3rd harmonics or so with sufficient output, and the drivers were located in a different position thaton the same plane as the port along with having less drivers used, then placement would be more of a concern. But without knowing the exact cabin gain, and combined response from both driver and port positions, you cannot determine the importance of the response chgnges.

 
I would have to say that in this design due to the driver placement and the amount being used alone, that port placement is less sensitive than needs to be considered, but not that it isn't a variable that can be figured or not that is isn't important, but not so much that it is a major factor of resonance change as oone would think.

 
well how high are you talking for upper end?
Depends on the drivers free air resonance even though it is loaded. Higher frequencies in the enclosure from the port are not as big a factor because the port and compression causes those frequencies to dissipate further than -60dB well before having a major effect on the overal output, so front wave propagation from higher frequencies are more contributed to the listening position from the drivers cone especially if the driver directly faces the listener. This is why walls have good frequency range, not because of the build, or ports, but from driver output alone. But here is something that will help to figure how high frequencies will make a difference in the response compared to the lower ones from 60 or 80 and below. Take the simple wave propagation formula that most designers use now days, and make sure the longest length of the vehicle is in feet not inches. Then take 1127/length. This is the longest high bass frequency that will cause resonances loud enough to affect the response of the enclosure. So, if you had 5.5 ft as the longest length, then 205Hz would be the highest bass frequency that will make a difference from the driver as long as the drivers free air resonance, with minimal distortion by the way as that is a factor when drivers response is measured, extends further than that. If not, then take 205/2. It will be 102.5Hz that will be affected. So if the driver has a range of 32-125Hz, at 102.5Hz watch for resonances from direct driver placement. The drivers contribution to the response has to be considered, not just port resonances.

 
Also, since the wall decrease cabin volume, resonances increase and frequency range increases. Ever heard a a bass reflex have a major peak in a car but when you put your head closer to it, the response gets smoother? That is all why. Make the cabin as small as possible and it'll be like having your head inside a box, where every frequency is excited. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif smart trick

 
Kyle, Ill put it simply - give it a shot with the port on both sides. Come back, and let us know what you find. Passenger side if not the loudest is the safest bet. Look up room mode resonances for certain frequencies and take a peak at where the higher spl groups.

 
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