jl w6 vs kicker l7

[n8skow 10+ year member]

XFL is 1k RMS...

 

[n8skow 10+ year member]

Their have been several IASCA/USAC sq world champions with squares...

What woofers Kicker chooses to use in their own demo vehicles depends on what their 'new' product is at the time and what they are trying to showcase.

The w6 will sound better the kicker will be louder Round speaker will aways sound truer to natural over the square speaker. Even Kicer uses the cvx in the SQ setups.

 

[tommydh 10+ year member]

I am just staing qwhat Physics has proven. A circle will produce equal waves over the entire surface. True square moves more air but the sound waves are inconsistent as you move around the perimeter. I was simply stating that the L& L& which I just got rid of yes loud but not as clean as a JL w6. I was not siubjectively speaking go and take your custom buckey ball speakers for all I car. People need to actually stay on some topics insteadf of interjecting outside stuff. That is the same as going which is better Chocolate or vanilla and some jackass says rockyroad.

 

[n8skow 10+ year member]

Your argument is flawed in several aspects, one being that your asserting all sounds are meant to be circular. Two, that these sound waves arrive at your ears in a 'circle' - (which completely negates the physical characteristics of your vehicle such as reflections, sympathetic vibrations and resonances, etc.), and three - that the 'shape' of the sound wave is discernible from one woofer to another at bass frequencies (let's say 80hz and down).

If you look at the musical instruments that create music (excluding electronic keyboards and the like) - they produce all sorts of uniquely shaped soundwaves - that is what makes one instrument sound different than the next. Guitars, pianos, woodwinds - all produce different shaped soundwaves. Many of these instruments have rounded features - but I don't think you can argue that makes one instrument 'better' than another.

For the purposes of reproduction, these sounds are typically played back through a simple 2-dimensional diaphragm moving in 1 axis - (though even tweeters can be found in more than round shapes), but I would argue the ability to reproduce 'accurate' sound, (again focusing on the bass spectrum) is defined more by the mechanical and electrical characteristics of a speaker than by it's shape.

Regarding sound 'shapes', something you might find interesting is the field of cymatics (the study of visible sound and vibration) - in particular, the observation of Chladni patterns - which can be observed by putting a flat surface on top of a speaker with a handful of table salt scattered across it - and playing variable frequencies. The salt forms patterns along the nodal lines and creates some wild geometric shapes.

 

[tommydh 10+ year member]

Your argument is flawed in several aspects, one being that your asserting all sounds are meant to be circular. Two, that these sound waves arrive at your ears in a 'circle' - (which completely negates the physical characteristics of your vehicle such as reflections, sympathetic vibrations and resonances, etc.), and three - that the 'shape' of the sound wave is discernible from one woofer to another at bass frequencies (let's say 80hz and down).
If you look at the musical instruments that create music (excluding electronic keyboards and the like) - they produce all sorts of uniquely shaped soundwaves - that is what makes one instrument sound different than the next. Guitars, pianos, woodwinds - all produce different shaped soundwaves. Many of these instruments have rounded features - but I don't think you can argue that makes one instrument 'better' than another.

For the purposes of reproduction, these sounds are typically played back through a simple 2-dimensional diaphragm moving in 1 axis - (though even tweeters can be found in more than round shapes), but I would argue the ability to reproduce 'accurate' sound, (again focusing on the bass spectrum) is defined more by the mechanical and electrical characteristics of a speaker than by it's shape.

Regarding sound 'shapes', something you might find interesting is the field of cymatics (the study of visible sound and vibration) - in particular, the observation of Chladni patterns - which can be observed by putting a flat surface on top of a speaker with a handful of table salt scattered across it - and playing variable frequencies. The salt forms patterns along the nodal lines and creates some wild geometric shapes.

I was not basing it on all sound waves are circular they are waves. What I was statinig is that the wave length can be more uniform in a circular pattern. I cleary answered question the w6 sounds better on a SQ level than the L7. I was not trying to state all circle speakers are better. If I recall the original strokers had no cone correct? just a spider and pole. And bringing in musical instruments in the argument electronic keyboards are not real instrument. I am a musician I have acoustic drums and electronic. I can get way different sounds out of the electronics but you can photoshop a horse p*cker on a new born too so is that real? I do not recall a Square acoustic drum ever being made.

 

[av83 10+ year member]

I was not basing it on all sound waves are circular they are waves. What I was statinig is that the wave length can be more uniform in a circular pattern. I cleary answered question the w6 sounds better on a SQ level than the L7. I was not trying to state all circle speakers are better. If I recall the original strokers had no cone correct? just a spider and pole. And bringing in musical instruments in the argument electronic keyboards are not real instrument. I am a musician I have acoustic drums and electronic. I can get way different sounds out of the electronics but you can photoshop a horse p*cker on a new born too so is that real? I do not recall a Square acoustic drum ever being made.

Please stop. You are making your self look really bad, and what you are saying is absolute non-sense. If you choose to carry on it will likely result in an epic flaming.

 

[n8skow 10+ year member]

You did answer the question... but your explanation is total rubbish. I can only be so clear on the matter - "It's not the shape of the W6 that makes for the better sounding woofer".

The original Strokers 'did' have a cone (https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS45gQgS3QtVdJKtMX32H8vh6UfQ-u-Gr2Q3tSkXaflOVTAL6wrBA) - but I don't see where your going with that either...

Bringing in musical instruments was to illustrate soundwaves come in all sorts of different shapes (a grand piano produces different shaped soundwaves from a flute, or whathaveyou). I didn't say an electric keyboard wasn't a real instrument - I excluded it from the comparison because being an electronic instrument - it doesn't produce it's own native sound from you pressing the keys (it requires a speaker).

I'm not going to address your juvenile photoshop comment, it's clearly out of place.

I've never seen a square acoustic drum either - but if your implying the soundwave created from a kick drum or snare is the same as a soundwave created from a round woofer - your way off...

I was not basing it on all sound waves are circular they are waves. What I was statinig is that the wave length can be more uniform in a circular pattern. I cleary answered question the w6 sounds better on a SQ level than the L7. I was not trying to state all circle speakers are better. If I recall the original strokers had no cone correct? just a spider and pole. And bringing in musical instruments in the argument electronic keyboards are not real instrument. I am a musician I have acoustic drums and electronic. I can get way different sounds out of the electronics but you can photoshop a horse p*cker on a new born too so is that real? I do not recall a Square acoustic drum ever being made.

 

[murph 10+ year member]

I hate the L7's merely for the fact that the parts they use are rubbish. I have heard horror stories of unwound coils in a large majority of the kicker line up. When I said they do SPL poorly I meant that they do not last long in a setup like that.

 

[-BenBen- 10+ year member]

American bass xfls would be better then both to me for the price..

 

[n8skow 10+ year member]

No woofer is indestructable... The people that think they are - are the same people blowing them up left and right.

Having said that, in the 30-some squares I own/have owned, I've never slinky'ed a coil.

Burnt coils... torn spiders... a couple surround blowouts - but never any 'horror stories'... Push something to the limits and beyond - and it's gonna break. Simple as that. =)

Also unclear about what SPL setup your referring to exactly...

I hate the L7's merely for the fact that the parts they use are rubbish. I have heard horror stories of unwound coils in a large majority of the kicker line up. When I said they do SPL poorly I meant that they do not last long in a setup like that.

 

[murph 10+ year member]

No woofer is indestructable... The people that think they are - are the same people blowing them up left and right.
Having said that, in the 30-some squares I own/have owned, I've never slinky'ed a coil.

Burnt coils... torn spiders... but never any 'horror stories'... Push something to the limits and beyond - and it's gonna break. Simple as that. =)

I will say my friends along with the other people I have heard these stories from did a portion of it upon themselves but, the quality still stands to be quite bad.

 

[n8skow 10+ year member]

Quality of what exactly?

Having a difficult time getting specifics out of you =)

I will say my friends along with the other people I have heard these stories from did a portion of it upon themselves but, the quality still stands to be quite bad.

 

[murph 10+ year member]

Quality of what exactly?Having a difficult time getting specifics out of you =)

Your smiley faces are freaking me out man. Soft parts, cone material and the coils are all pretty meh. Can't ask much from them though.

 

[n8skow 10+ year member]

What is it your asking of them though?

Are you seeing them fail on rated power in a proper enclosure?

The majority of failures I've seen definitely fall into the 'abuse' category.

Perhaps Kicker just attracts a lot of people that like to abuse stereo gear?

(freaky smiley? oh... you must of seen this:

 

[murph 10+ year member]

What is it your asking of them though?Are you seeing them fail on rated power in a proper enclosure?

The majority of failures I've seen definitely fall into the 'abuse' category.

Perhaps Kicker just attracts a lot of people that like to abuse stereo gear?

(freaky smiley? oh... you must of seen this:

Now that is a freaky smiley lol. They do rated but, don't handle extra power very well. If a subwoofer can't take abuse (slamming on more than rated) in my books they rated it wrong. We can go on and on about this but, I don't really have time.