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im going to disregard everything you said about it being them that made it go sour because you seem to have a thick skull and hop on something either your parents or teachers should have taught you but neglected to. If your trying to make a point then you should make it look like you actually know something. but reading the shit that spills out of your mouth and onto the keyboard is like trying to have a conversation with my 9 year old nephew. So if people didn't think your points were wacked and quit listening right there, then they did as soon as they saw the sorry excuse for a debate you typed up.

perfect example- i quit reading your bullshit argument by the 3rd line and only now that i glanced up did i see your weak attempt at an insult.

so in closing, you **** at life, and your too young to retire so you should just quit. how about i send you some bungie cords so can hang yourself with those and atleast maybe when the detectives find your 12 yearold body bouncing around then it can be said that someone enjoyed something you did, and when they pull your legs to the ground and watch your head hit the ceeling then it can be said you did something great with your life.

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Preston

***** im 22 ****in years old, about to have a bachelors in science degree, like i said, far from 12 hoe, so why dont u go fuk urself, and if i was 12, why in the hell would ur lame azz argue with a 12 year old.. get a life jack azz, every other post on here was coo, except urs. u could have kept ur half a cent to urself. peach biotchhhhhhhhhhh

 
I have been reading tis thread for a while now. Just have to add my 2 cents. This is always a debate on every forum on any givin day. Everyone has thier brands they love, JL with no exception. Everyone has good pionts here. But, I seewhat "ihatejlaudio" is saying in many reguards. Simply put JL might be a little overrated and over priced. When he says he is not impressed with the subs I have no dout that he wouldn't be. If i bought a $900+ sub I would expect something of that order. If it was not of that quallity I "wouldn't be impressed." That being said I'm not impressed with the W7s. Not that they are a bad product, they are very well designed and built. But are they worth thier retail price IMO no. As for spl comps, are they a good mesure of a subs over all preformance no. Might it test durability to the max? Certianly. To me the conparison would be selling a honda for the price of a porshe. The honda is a great car, but would you pay $75k for the car your nieghbor and everyother kid on the street had? One last piont! You all say the sound quallity is what draws you to the subs, and SPL dosn't count. So what does count? SQ comps? JLs arn't on top there either. So where o where do they win out sooo much? By the way I am biased I don't presonally care for JL. Not for quallity reasons. I'm just not gonna pay a porse price for a honda.

 
about to have a bachelors in science degree
This means about as much as your "MECP Certified Master Installer" title.

Any bonehead can get their MECP certificate, and most boneheads can get a general B.Sc. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Congratulations, you have nothing.

So quit trying to bullshit around the issue. You can here with one thing in mind ... to cause trouble. Grow up, or get the **** off of this message board - you're no longer welcome here.

 
Doesn't mean much.
I know a lot of idiots with the title 'MECP Certified Master Installer'.

Add one more to that list.

No one can doubt that you know a lot of idiots. You are Canadian. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/patriotic.gif.b47a6e0394a3738334c387bdf79409f4.gif

 
No one can doubt that you know a lot of idiots. You are Canadian. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/patriotic.gif.b47a6e0394a3738334c387bdf79409f4.gif
I met quite a few at WSU //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 
I have been reading tis thread for a while now. Just have to add my 2 cents. This is always a debate on every forum on any givin day. Everyone has thier brands they love, JL with no exception. Everyone has good pionts here. But, I seewhat "ihatejlaudio" is saying in many reguards. Simply put JL might be a little overrated and over priced. When he says he is not impressed with the subs I have no dout that he wouldn't be. If i bought a $900+ sub I would expect something of that order. If it was not of that quallity I "wouldn't be impressed." That being said I'm not impressed with the W7s. Not that they are a bad product, they are very well designed and built. But are they worth thier retail price IMO no. As for spl comps, are they a good mesure of a subs over all preformance no. Might it test durability to the max? Certianly. To me the conparison would be selling a honda for the price of a porshe. The honda is a great car, but would you pay $75k for the car your nieghbor and everyother kid on the street had? One last piont! You all say the sound quallity is what draws you to the subs, and SPL dosn't count. So what does count? SQ comps? JLs arn't on top there either. So where o where do they win out sooo much? By the way I am biased I don't presonally care for JL. Not for quallity reasons. I'm just not gonna pay a porse price for a honda.
Only 1 JL subs costs $900, and that is retail. Many people have purchased 12W7s for $500 or so, authorized. The W6v2s are even cheaper. The argument about price doesn't seem to hold water in this case. I would not pay retail price for a 13W7 either because I would just never pay $900 for a sub. I have heard a 13W7 in an install and it was incredible, but I simply don't need that much, and I don't have $900 kicking around, anyway. The 12W6v2 is all I would ever need in a sub. I don't care about spl, and I don't need a sub that will handle a bazillion watts. I am very good friends with the guys who own the local shop, and I got an excellent deal on the W6v2. That said, given my experience with it, I would have paid $400 for it and not thought I got completely robbed of my money. It sounds excellent on any type of music I listen to, and it gets plenty loud for me.

I don't know who is winning the sq competitions(don't really care about those either), but the w6v2s and w7s are widely accepted as some of the best sounding subs available(regardless of who is or is not using them in sq competitions). I don't know what sub would sound "best" to my ears since I obviously haven't heard every sub on the market. It might be what I have now, it could be an idmax, it could be an ED sub, a Phase Linear Alliante, a Dyn, a Focal, who knows. One thing JL has on many of those brands is accessibility. If you don't have a focal dealer around, you can't hear the sub. Many people(myself included) do not like to buy subs/speakers blindly. I want to know exactly how it will sound before I pay the cash. That is much easier for people to do with JL equipment since it is more readily available than many brands. That is just the way it is.

We need to differentiate here. When somebody bashes JL, people respond. The basher then gets in their head that "oh these people just think JL is the best." That isn't necessarily the case. Most people respond to counter ridiculous statements. That doesn't mean they think JL makes the best subwoofers in the world(some may think that, some may not, and others may not know).

Some people like the underdog. You see ED and RE fans bash JL sometimes. Hell, I think ED has been hyped on the forums MUCH more than JL over the past 3 years. 20 years ago, JL was the underdog. They were pretty new on the scene and their performance won out. Have they not stayed true to what they were doing back then? They have several lines of subs from entry level to very high end. They put the $$$ into R&D to come up with new things(w7s, w6v2s), and when JL does that, other companies fight to follow so it is good for the consumer in the long run.

 
this thread was never intended to be a jl bashing thread,
This is extremely hard to believe. You lost half of any potential credibility when you decided to register with that particuliar name. Most of the time when people make names such as yours their intent isn't anything but trollish behavior.

Your remarks saying that JL isn't impressive in the least bit, just solidifies the fact that your intent IS to bash JL instead of intelligently conversing about them. Many in here have already said they won't use JL because of bang for buck issues, yet they don't discredit the fact that JL has also worked hard for and deserves the rep they have been given.

Thanks for playing, now STFU.

 
Only 1 JL subs costs $900, and that is retail. Many people have purchased 12W7s for $500 or so, authorized. The W6v2s are even cheaper. The argument about price doesn't seem to hold water in this case. I would not pay retail price for a 13W7 either because I would just never pay $900 for a sub. I have heard a 13W7 in an install and it was incredible, but I simply don't need that much, and I don't have $900 kicking around, anyway. The 12W6v2 is all I would ever need in a sub. I don't care about spl, and I don't need a sub that will handle a bazillion watts. I am very good friends with the guys who own the local shop, and I got an excellent deal on the W6v2. That said, given my experience with it, I would have paid $400 for it and not thought I got completely robbed of my money. It sounds excellent on any type of music I listen to, and it gets plenty loud for me.
I don't know who is winning the sq competitions(don't really care about those either), but the w6v2s and w7s are widely accepted as some of the best sounding subs available(regardless of who is or is not using them in sq competitions). I don't know what sub would sound "best" to my ears since I obviously haven't heard every sub on the market. It might be what I have now, it could be an idmax, it could be an ED sub, a Phase Linear Alliante, a Dyn, a Focal, who knows. One thing JL has on many of those brands is accessibility. If you don't have a focal dealer around, you can't hear the sub. Many people(myself included) do not like to buy subs/speakers blindly. I want to know exactly how it will sound before I pay the cash. That is much easier for people to do with JL equipment since it is more readily available than many brands. That is just the way it is.

We need to differentiate here. When somebody bashes JL, people respond. The basher then gets in their head that "oh these people just think JL is the best." That isn't necessarily the case. Most people respond to counter ridiculous statements. That doesn't mean they think JL makes the best subwoofers in the world(some may think that, some may not, and others may not know).

Some people like the underdog. You see ED and RE fans bash JL sometimes. Hell, I think ED has been hyped on the forums MUCH more than JL over the past 3 years. 20 years ago, JL was the underdog. They were pretty new on the scene and their performance won out. Have they not stayed true to what they were doing back then? They have several lines of subs from entry level to very high end. They put the $$$ into R&D to come up with new things(w7s, w6v2s), and when JL does that, other companies fight to follow so it is good for the consumer in the long run.
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Hey Civic, what type of box are you running your 12w6v2?

 
This means about as much as your "MECP Certified Master Installer" title.
Any bonehead can get their MECP certificate, and most boneheads can get a general B.Sc. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Congratulations, you have nothing.

So quit trying to bullshit around the issue. You can here with one thing in mind ... to cause trouble. Grow up, or get the **** off of this message board - you're no longer welcome here.

Manufacturing Engineering. Gpa: of 3.333 if u need me to fax u a copy of the transcript, let me know fuk boy!!

 
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