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[DNick454 10+ year member]

Drifters actually DO stretch tires. It may not be to the extent that the VIP style goes to and it's not for the same reasons, but it is done. Stretching the tire makes the sidewall much more rigid so there is no tire flex when putting a large amount of lateral force on the tire tread. When you have a tire that is hanging out over the rim (too wide) the sidewall becomes very sloppy and that would be very undesirable for a drift car being tossed into turn after turn.

 

[Loud3 10+ year member]

Aw come on now ... We're on page 61 & you're just now deciding this isn't worth arguing over?
It is!!

Fine:

"One suspension tuning method, still popular in Japan, is known as "Demon Camber" (Japanese: 鬼キャン, Oni-kyan[16] [1]). It involves setting the suspension with extreme negative camber in the front to reduce slide. Negative camber on the rear would only induce understeer, making the car more difficult to drift. The front of the car having better grip and less tendency to slide, it is easier to swing the rear of the car around to get a good drift angle. However stability, grip, and overall ability to control the car are compromised. It has thus fallen out of favor as a serious performance-minded suspension setup. However, many cars built for show (such as those driven by bōsōzoku) still use this style of suspension setup for its aggressive look. A few degrees of toe-out on the rear wheels (leading edges angled outward) can reduce rear stability, and make setting up a drift a little easier.

Suspension must be relatively firm front and back depending on the driving style and is generally known to be lowered in attempt to drop the centre of gravity making the vehicle more controllable and stable during drift."

Taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drifting_%28motorsport%29

Yvan Mullers WTCC Championship winning Seat. I highly doubt the team has done this for style purposes!

http://www.tougeheroes.com/blogsite/wp-content/themes/arras-theme/library/timthumb.php?src=http://www.tougeheroes.com/blogsite/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/cimg0531s.jpg&w=630&h=250&zc=1

This car did 311.7 km/h on a top speed challenge in Japan… with stretched tires.











I know Hoss will just come in here and say something about it being null and void or just my opinion, but the information is up, along with various sources, for anyone who might be curious in the slightest bit.

 

[michaellane 5,000+ posts]

is it too much to ask for more pics of the asian girls??? 90 something pages man and only females on the first 2 pages?

 

[99grandprixGT 5,000+ posts]

is it too much to ask for more pics of the asian girls??? 90 something pages man and only females on the first 2 pages?

lol there where some in the 20-30 page range some where but ya more would not hurt.

 

[michaellane 5,000+ posts]

lol there where some in the 20-30 page range some where but ya more would not hurt.

thanks

 

[michaellane 5,000+ posts]

lol there where some in the 20-30 page range some where but ya more would not hurt.

lies!

you know how you know this thread is gay?

out of 121 pages only 2 pics of hot women.

the rear tires look horrible like ur car is trying to take a crap.

the OP did them like that on purpose.

the only reason the OP did the rear tires this way is because other people said it wasnt possible...(his comment in the first 5 pages)....

so you made ur car look like total *** just to prove someone wrong that it was possible to make your car look bad???

now save your thread and post pics of azans

 

[dr_peeb 10+ year member]

 

[99grandprixGT 5,000+ posts]

lies!
you know how you know this thread is gay?

out of 121 pages only 2 pics of hot women.

the rear tires look horrible like ur car is trying to take a crap.

the OP did them like that on purpose.

the only reason the OP did the rear tires this way is because other people said it wasnt possible...(his comment in the first 5 pages)....

so you made ur car look like total *** just to prove someone wrong that it was possible to make your car look bad???

now save your thread and post pics of azans

right here , but i agree more pics haha

 

[hoss 5,000+ posts]

Although I will agree there is a certain ride height that the vehicle performs better at than others, but those cars probably have much higher spring rates than most cars use when driving, which allows them to have more dampening, less rebound, and the ability to be low.

Higher spring rates and added damping aside, there is nothing that can replace suspension travel //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif . You can set the spring rate as high as you want and it will reduce the amount that the suspension travels inwards when it does need to give, but that still is transfering the force to the chasis and can upset your driving line (in a severe enough case). All factors of how a suspension system operates is like a pie chart, there is a trade off for every factor, you want higher spring rates, something else has to give. You want lower ride height, something is giong to give. etc etc etc. My whole point is that yes, drift cars can be low, but if you set up a car properly, you are going to understand these trade offs and will leave yourself prepared for them.

Drifters actually DO stretch tires. It may not be to the extent that the VIP style goes to and it's not for the same reasons, but it is done. Stretching the tire makes the sidewall much more rigid so there is no tire flex when putting a large amount of lateral force on the tire tread. When you have a tire that is hanging out over the rim (too wide) the sidewall becomes very sloppy and that would be very undesirable for a drift car being tossed into turn after turn.

A stiff sidewall in a drift car (as far as the rear tires are concerned) would be a MUCH smaller factor than in any other discipline of racing. The force that static friction applies to the tire is much greater than kinetic friction. Not to say that there isnt any applied, but IMO drifting would be the least ideal situation to stretch a tire.

Fine:
"One suspension tuning method, still popular in Japan, is known as "Demon Camber" (Japanese: 鬼キャン, Oni-kyan[16] [1]). It involves setting the suspension with extreme negative camber in the front to reduce slide. Negative camber on the rear would only induce understeer, making the car more difficult to drift. The front of the car having better grip and less tendency to slide, it is easier to swing the rear of the car around to get a good drift angle. However stability, grip, and overall ability to control the car are compromised. It has thus fallen out of favor as a serious performance-minded suspension setup. However, many cars built for show (such as those driven by bōsōzoku) still use this style of suspension setup for its aggressive look. A few degrees of toe-out on the rear wheels (leading edges angled outward) can reduce rear stability, and make setting up a drift a little easier.

I love it when the people arguing against me make my points for me.

Suspension must be relatively firm front and back depending on the driving style and is generally known to be lowered in attempt to drop the centre of gravity making the vehicle more controllable and stable during drift."

If you are still stuck on this point, they I think you may have a serious lack of reading comprehension skills at this point.

http://www.tougeheroes.com/blogsite/wp-content/themes/arras-theme/library/timthumb.php?src=http://www.tougeheroes.com/blogsite/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/cimg0531s.jpg&w=630&h=250&zc=1This car did 311.7 km/h on a top speed challenge in Japan… with stretched tires.

Quite the contrary actually, you have proven a few of my points for me on this one. If you had looked at the information and the arguments correctly in the first place you would have learned it from the beggining instead of waiting this long to learn it.

 

[1rockford1 5,000+ posts]

op i need to ask u something, with all this stuff your doin u think u can help me out???

 

[Loud3 10+ year member]

I love it when the people arguing against me make my points for me.

It's actually talking about the extreme negative camber, you need to re-read what I posted.

"One suspension tuning method, still popular in Japan, is known as "Demon Camber" (Japanese: 鬼キャン, Oni-kyan[16] [1]). It involves setting the suspension with extreme negative camber in the front to reduce slide. Negative camber on the rear would only induce understeer, making the car more difficult to drift. The front of the car having better grip and less tendency to slide, it is easier to swing the rear of the car around to get a good drift angle. However stability, grip, and overall ability to control the car are compromised. It has thus fallen out of favor as a serious performance-minded suspension setup. However, many cars built for show (such as those driven by bōsōzoku) still use this style of suspension setup for its aggressive look. A few degrees of toe-out on the rear wheels (leading edges angled outward) can reduce rear stability, and make setting up a drift a little easier."

Seriously, dude... you're taking bits and pieces and twisting it into what you believe.

I'm posting facts, backed up by information... and you're just poasting for poasting's sake.

 

[Loud3 10+ year member]

Again, no one is arguing that stretched tires dont have their place where they can be utilized, however, that place is not on the street... I have said time and time again that stretched tired DO have a function that they serve, but due to the trade offs it is strongly ill advised to do so on the street.

you are showing your lack of reading comprehension skills again... No wonder you dont understand what the grown ups are talking about here.

I am NOT talking about street cars, I am talking about TRACK cars...

Which YOU don't seem to understand.

My examples are cars that are tracked. I haven't poasting a car without it being used for track use, or ON a track...

What don't YOU understand about that?

And yes, people ARE arguing that stretched tires don't have a use...

WHICH IS WHY I POASTED THEM BEING USED IN TRACK CARS!

Do you understand better if I use caps lock?

Again, for your easy of understanding...

I did NOT poast this...

Which would be street use...

I poasted THIS...

which is on a track...

 

[PV Audio 5,000+ posts]

Good Christ, that is the ugliest car I've ever seen. I would hope that someone who had enough money to buy the car and its modifications could have at least bought some taste.

 

[hoss 5,000+ posts]

I am NOT talking about street cars, I am talking about TRACK cars...
Which YOU don't seem to understand.

My examples are cars that are tracked. I haven't poasting a car without it being used for track use, or ON a track...

What don't YOU understand about that?

And yes, people ARE arguing that stretched tires don't have a use...

WHICH IS WHY I POASTED THEM BEING USED IN TRACK CARS!

Do you understand better if I use caps lock?

Again, for your easy of understanding...

I did NOT poast this...

Which would be street use...

I poasted THIS...

which is on a track...

Then why are you even arguing with me if you have the same stance as I do? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

****, if you understood what I was saying then why argue the other way? Unless you are just changing your stance at this point to save face...

 

[PV Audio 5,000+ posts]

Whoever is arguing that those modifications could in any way improve performance either needs to stop taking meth or go read up on dynamics.