Lets see some under dash shots and I can tell you. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif For all of you guys considering horns (I recommend them), here is what is suggested. All of the plastic CAN be cut down all the way to the horn mouth dont let that hold you up. Horns should be mounted as WIDE as possible and trim the flange as needed. The horns should be BURIED AS DEEP AS POSSIBLE under the dash. Also they should be perfectly horizontal and parallel as well. those are the keys to installing horns. Most installs show the horns mounted even with the dash line, it is recommended to go as deep as possible. The dash will also act as an extension of the horn mouth. Now in my case, my horns are about 3" behind the dash line. I need to fill that gap to keep the energy from entering in behind the dash. More work i need to do. James, glad you got to hear my car. I have a bit of work ahead of me as well and i cant wait to give you a true demo of the potnential of horns. what you heard was a decent eq'd horn setup to bandaid the other details I have to finish. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif