If I could mate with an amp and have children

[Shinju 10+ year member]

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[Suicide Bobb 5,000+ posts]

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fixt

 

[Shinju 10+ year member]

So knee!

 

[Suicide Bobb 5,000+ posts]

Actually, it's pronounced "Sah-knee"

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[ciaonzo 5,000+ posts]

So knee!

lol

 

[n2audio 5,000+ posts]

so with that the new sony sounds just as good and plays as well as the old school es in this thread does?

I was sick of this discussion 5 yrs ago.

People who view amps simply as electrical components see it one way.

People who think amps are some art form see it the other.

My answer...

If the non ES in question can produce the same amt of power before clipping, yes, their sound will be indistinguishable.

RC's point was never all amps sound the same. That's what the techno-idiots took from it and ran with.

The point was amps producing equal amts of measured power sound the same regardless of the brand and price tag.

 

[Suicide Bobb 5,000+ posts]

I was sick of this discussion 5 yrs ago.
People who view amps simply as electrical components see it one way.

People who think amps are some art form see it the other.

My answer...

If the non ES in question can produce the same amt of power before clipping, yes, their sound will be indistinguishable.

RC's point was never all amps sound the same. That's what the techno-idiots took from it and ran with.

The point was amps producing equal amts of measured power sound the same regardless of the brand and price tag.

Huh what?

 

[n2audio 5,000+ posts]

Huh what?

Did I stutter?

 

[schackel 10+ year member]

Did I stutter?

not in the slightest

 

[Suicide Bobb 5,000+ posts]

Did I stutter?

oh, I see. Probably should have reworded that, hard to understand that way.

 

[n2audio 5,000+ posts]

Here.

RC's point was never all amps sound the same.

The point of RC's amp challenge was never about trying to prove all amps sound the same.

If it had been, it would have been beaten early and often.

 

[Suicide Bobb 5,000+ posts]

Here.

The point of RC's amp challenge was never about trying to prove all amps sound the same.

If it had been, it would have been beaten early and often.

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[Shinju 10+ year member]

so knee

 

[ciaonzo 5,000+ posts]

My answer...If the non ES in question can produce the same amt of power before clipping, yes, their sound will be indistinguishable.

Before ever reaching clipping, and with wattage and gain levels matched, no filtering or EQ being applied at the amplifier, nothing changed at the head unit, I can tell you that my Zed gear, SONY gear, Zeff gear, whatever gear, sounds different from each other. Yes I have the drivers to provide that level of resolution and the ears to detect the difference. To help drive that point home and remove any doubt, I build my own ribbons and I can detect the difference in the foils used to make the element. I have no doubt you have the level of intelligence to be able to appreciate that feat.
How do you measure resolution (not distortion) and ambient cues? How do you measure the character of the bloom when multiple instruments are striking the same chord? How do you measure the apparent difference in the presentation of the timing (being able to keep pace, or the leading edge of the music if you will) of different amplifiers? Some amplifiers have less or no global feedback, some have absolutely analytical amounts of feedback applied, some have harmonic time alignment. Some use mosfets, some use n-fets, some are bipolar. Even if every one of those amplifiers was exactly matched for power levels, there's no way they would subjectively sound the same unless YOU couldn't tell the difference.

You're right - the RC challenge was never about proving that all amplifiers sound the same, it was about a head fuck. Amplifiers do sound different, no matter how gross or subtle the difference may be, or how inept the individual is at being able to notice the difference. It's really that simple.

And yes - I am a huge tweaker, lol.

 

[ciaonzo 5,000+ posts]

so knee

lulz Shinny!