no im not joking.... and if i know anybody around me with fi products im going to steal their stuff and break it so it will be even more fi stuff out of this world... its over rated BS that everyone just goes around saying and believing its good cuz a few people said it is.... WOW... you don't have to spend a lot of money for good loud sound. like ive said before i had a 35 dollar 12 that was brand new from hifonics getting really loud and sounded really good doing it. the sub in my sig is really expensive but i bought that long before i knew much about car audio and that you don't have to spend a whole mess of money to get loud and sound good.... wow newbs need to learn to break more fi products and send them to the dump and buy more quality KNOWN brands like kicker, memphis, MTX, rockford, soundstream, ARC, and RE/ us amps!!!!!