i read a page in the middle..... when my wifes girlfriend told me to (she is also my ex) for it to happen, ususally needs alchohol, for starters. work into it with hints, and she will make it her idea. as in, how hot it is when women fool around. if she starts catching an eye for hot chicks, then you have a chance. my wife points them out to me while i'm looking at other cr4p. it takes time for some, and not for others. all women are different except for the commonality that they are nutz.about back doorin- you have to work into that, too. my suggestion: again, get drunk together. go down on her, and after a bit, start massaging her bu7hole, if she doesn't start squiring uncomfortably, then keep coming back to it, and gently work the finger in there a little. you may have to do it over several occasions, but eventually, she may just let you in. really, don't get too schloshed for the 3-some..... it takes more co-ordination than you think. multi-tasking is a must, or they will feel neglected, etc. on the plus-side, thinking that hard works better than thinking about something else to last longer, lol. oh, and take care of your nails and don't go in the back dry. that is sure to kill the mood.