honda accord burning oil/leaking

[01sugar2 10+ year member]

my apology for not getting back with you soon enough, and for not being there when you IM'd me last night. With aprox. 14 parts air to 1 part fuel needed for your engine to run decently, it's very easy to run rich (too much fuel) when you restrict air and insert the same amount of fuel into the combustion chamber. As for the PCV valve not causing a missfire, I beg to differ on that one. If the valve fails open and oil sucks into the combustion chamber, the oil can not combust. Ever noticed fouled spark plugs before from oil deposits? Happens FAR more often than not.

For Turbocharged and Supercharged app's, I use a specific modification that can net a gain of at least 2 or 3 psi by simply playing with the induction into the crankcase. If you ensure that only air can go in and nothing can go out of that inlet tube, you're way ahead of the game. Install an oil catch can by routing the PCV line from the valve cover to the can and run a PCV valve on top of the can back into the intake manifold; in short, install a catch can inline with the PCV hose/setup. After a few hundred miles, you'd get sick looking at the trash that comes out of that can! Clean air only into the engine, and it will help to prevent missfires (guaranteed).

Plugs simply don't foul out by air alone. It takes extremely hot spark, the wrong amounts of fuel and or types, oil deposits, etc. Many problems start however with a lack of good maintenance as has been stated many times fold by now. NOTHING lasts forever, but when maintained, it can go for a long time. As for the air filter fixing the black smoke, it def. won't be the first time I've seen it work; won't be the last. Staying on top of the timing belt services though is extremely critical!! Please don't play russian roulet with your engine by neglecting this service. I hope that your problem continues to stay away after your repairs. Best of luck!

Dustin

 

[xluben 10+ year member]

my apology for not getting back with you soon enough, and for not being there when you IM'd me last night.

and i downloaded aim just for you //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

As for the PCV valve not causing a missfire, I beg to differ on that one. If the valve fails open and oil sucks into the combustion chamber, the oil can not combust. Ever noticed fouled spark plugs before from oil deposits? Happens FAR more often than not.

the new pcv valve seems to have stopped my misfires. i opened up the throttle at low rpms a couple time (what usually cause the misfires) and it seemed fine. no bogging down, just very slow acceleration //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

install a catch can inline with the PCV hose/setup. After a few hundred miles, you'd get sick looking at the trash that comes out of that can! Clean air only into the engine, and it will help to prevent missfires (guaranteed).

is it really as simple as this:

http://www.acura-tsx.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9571&page=1&pp=25

$10 part at home depot, some fittings and splice it into the current hose going to the pcv valve? i could throw that in, in an afternoon if it'll help.

As for the air filter fixing the black smoke, it def. won't be the first time I've seen it work; won't be the last. With aprox. 14 parts air to 1 part fuel needed for your engine to run decently, it's very easy to run rich (too much fuel) when you restrict air and insert the same amount of fuel into the combustion chamber.

yep, good call on that, seems to have worked very well.

Staying on top of the timing belt services though is extremely critical!! Please don't play russian roulet with your engine by neglecting this service. I hope that your problem continues to stay away after your repairs. Best of luck!

should i just go to a local shop for the timing belt service?

i will try to stay on top of regular service in the future.

thanks for all the help!

Crawl under it and visually inspect it for leaks. 300-400 miles isn't very many miles to be adding a quart.
You never stated how many miles. I've owned 3 Accords and none of them really burned any oil until after 130K, then it was only about a qt./mo.

You might have worn piston rings. Buy/rent a compression tester and check individual cylinder compression and check against spec. It might be rings.

You're not really going to hurt anything unless you run it low on oil.

yes, it is an abnormally high rate of oil loss, especially since i see no 'puddling' under my car.

my accord has nearly 140,000 miles on it //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

for now i'm going to go through a couple more tanks of gas and see how it's doing. if i just keep the oil level normal i shouldn't cause any damage.

 

[jjski78 10+ year member]

should i just go to a local shop for the timing belt service?

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Please god don't take it to Joe Schmo's Auto Repairs for the timing belt. Take it to the dealership. The dealer will usually give you a 12k mile warranty on the job, your average mom and pop shop MIGHT give you a 1k warranty. I guess I'm just bitter today about ma and pop shops because I spent the whole morning wrenching on my friends Jetta just to find that the timing belt he had replaced at a ma and pop was all screwed up. Less than a month after. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/mad.gif.c18f003ab0ef8a0d9c27ca78d77a6392.gif What a PITA!!

 

[phantom240 5,000+ posts]

Never leave a newer vehicle's more critical maintenance to a local shop, unless they are a very reputable shop. Dealers are the best for timing work, as they know EVERYTHING about your car. They WILL charge u an arm and a leg, but if it fails, you can anally **** them.

And about your oil consumption, i have a couple of ideas. Try a marvel msytery oil piston soak.

http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23676

Also, try that "restore" stuff they sell at auto parts stores with all the other "snake oils". Ive read really good stuff about "Restore" stuff. From what ive read, the results arent immediate, but occur gradually the more you drive. takes between 1 and 2 oil change intervals.

 

[xluben 10+ year member]

oil catch can:http://www.acura-tsx.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9571&page=1&pp=25

$10 part at home depot, some fittings and splice it into the current hose going to the pcv valve? i could throw that in, in an afternoon if it'll help.

i got the parts needed to install a DIY oil catch can in front of my pcv valve, but i've run into a problem.

here's my engine:

here's the hosing in question:

the end of the hose circled in green is stuck on!

as you can see i moved up the clip, so it's not holding it on anymore, and pulled very hard, but it won't budge a bit //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

not really an issue, since i can just splice the can can onto the hose without removing it, but i wanted to clean out the hose.

any suggestions on how to get this hose off?

And about your oil consumption, i have a couple of ideas. Try a marvel msytery oil piston soak.http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23676

any other opinions on this?

how do i get the spark plugs out?

 

[phantom240 5,000+ posts]

any other opinions on this?

how do i get the spark plugs out?

Are you kidding? seriously... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eyebrow.gif.fe2c18d8720fe8c7eaed347b21ea05a5.gif You can successfully complete the "Big Three" but you cant replace ur spark plugs?

Well you gotta get a spark plug wrench (5/8" or 13/16" socket with rubber insert to hold the plug in), a ratchet, and an extension.

As far as that hose, take some good spray oil, and douse it... then take some vise grips or channel locks, and grab the hose where it is stuck on the nipple. Twist it back and forth until it moves freely, then twist it back and forth while working back. Or you could cut it and get a new hose, which i would do.

 

[xluben 10+ year member]

Are you kidding? seriously... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eyebrow.gif.fe2c18d8720fe8c7eaed347b21ea05a5.gif You can successfully complete the "Big Three" but you cant replace ur spark plugs?
Well you gotta get a spark plug wrench (5/8" or 13/16" socket with rubber insert to hold the plug in), a ratchet, and an extension.

i know, it's pathetic, but i've never done it before. (i know nothing about cars!)

i really don't have any idea what you meant with your explanation.

i tried pulling up the rubber plug and it was connected to a black plastic tube //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

As far as that hose, take some good spray oil, and douse it... then take some vise grips or channel locks, and grab the hose where it is stuck on the nipple. Twist it back and forth until it moves freely, then twist it back and forth while working back. Or you could cut it and get a new hose, which i would do.

wow, that worked very well!

twisted with a pliers, then pulled, and it came right off!

here's the catch can setup i did:

this is how it originally looked with two straight fittings:



here's after i realized that wouldn't fit, and put a 90 degree elbow on the intake:



here it is spliced into the hosing with pcv valve inline (sorry for the blurry pic):



and here it is installed:



car starts and runs normally. took a 5 min drive and didn't see any oil or blackening of the filter. hopefully it doesn't fill up too often //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[phantom240 5,000+ posts]

...you mean to tell me you can nigger rig something like that in a day, but have never heard of a spark plug wrench? here ill show u. The insert comes in it when you buy it. So no need to mess with anything. But a word of advice from experience, spray the rubber with wd-40 or whatever to keep it from sticking to the plug. /experience.

 

[xluben 10+ year member]

but how do i get to the plugs?

 

[xluben 10+ year member]

well, i went for a slightly longer drive with the catch can installed (probably about 20 min or so) and now the filter is very dark and there is enough oil in it to cover the bottom!

i think i should have gone for the bigger filter (but i don't know where it'd fit).

if my catch can does start filling up very quickly do you think i have some sort of other problem causing it?

also, does anyone have a good tutorial (w/pics) or how to change spark plugs? i really don't know where to start.

 

[phantom240 5,000+ posts]

....*sigh*.... Well here we go: Spark plugs 101

You have spark plugs, we have established this as you have an internal combustion engine fueled by gasoline. Remove the wires going to the spark plugs. Stick your spark plug socket along with an extension on your ratchet down in the hole. Loosen then remove. Simple. When RE-installing plugs, stick the plug in the socket, and BY HAND tighten it until you cant any more, then attatch the ratchet and go 1/4 turn. AND NO MORE. you WILL eventually strip the thread if you continue to tighten it. BTW, a Haynes manual would be a bible for you. I dont mind writing up stuff... but there comes a point where ya gotta get some common sense lol. Its cool though. Makes me feel like im helping the community //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

Oh, and about your catch can, it seems like you have a problem with blowby gases causing you to throw oil to the intake. Try seafoaming the engine (putting it through the brake booster vacuum hose), and also try this stuff at autoparts store called "Restore" engine treatment. I didnt think it would work at first, but my firend tried it on his car and by the next time he changed his oil, his oil comsumption went down to half of what it was before, and by the oil change after that (adding a new can each change), it consumed very little oil at all. This stuff works.

 

[01sugar2 10+ year member]

I really wish I had more time to post on these threads like I used to do (back in the day), but alas those days are over. However, your catch can isn't exactly a can, but more so a tiny bowl. Do you see what I mean by it fills up with trash however? Moroso (aftermarket company) makes a can that I formerly used on my race applications, and I'm sure it's still around. It's LARGE compared to that however. I mounted mine to my firewall just behind the intake manifold. I dare say the size of it was about 1 quart, but don't quote me on that. I filled it about half way in about 3k miles with a turbocharged B20A5 (Honda, 1988 to 1989 Prelude fuel injected engine). If you can find a way to place the PCV on the other side of your bowl/can (hehe, but it IS WORKING), then you'll get some better results. There's another modification you can use to get "that" blow by (blown by the PCV and into the engine) debris from getting on your TB, and I'll simply have to post that up later.

http://dustin_palmer.tripod.com/home.html

That's my site from like eons ago. However, under the articles link, there should be one on Catch Cans; their design and purpose and how to install one. The pics have since been removed from the site I had them linked from, but I know they're still around and I really should try and find them again. Good read to say the least; hope this also helps some!

Dustin

 

[AJ²06 5,000+ posts]

I really wish I had more time to post on these threads like I used to do (back in the day), but alas those days are over. However, your catch can isn't exactly a can, but more so a tiny bowl. Do you see what I mean by it fills up with trash however? Moroso (aftermarket company) makes a can that I formerly used on my race applications, and I'm sure it's still around. It's LARGE compared to that however. I mounted mine to my firewall just behind the intake manifold. I dare say the size of it was about 1 quart, but don't quote me on that. I filled it about half way in about 3k miles with a turbocharged B20A5 (Honda, 1988 to 1989 Prelude fuel injected engine). If you can find a way to place the PCV on the other side of your bowl/can (hehe, but it IS WORKING), then you'll get some better results. There's another modification you can use to get "that" blow by (blown by the PCV and into the engine) debris from getting on your TB, and I'll simply have to post that up later.
http://dustin_palmer.tripod.com/home.html

That's my site from like eons ago. However, under the articles link, there should be one on Catch Cans; their design and purpose and how to install one. The pics have since been removed from the site I had them linked from, but I know they're still around and I really should try and find them again. Good read to say the least; hope this also helps some!

Dustin

Dustin is the SHIT! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif Very helpful.

 

[xluben 10+ year member]

I really wish I had more time to post on these threads like I used to do (back in the day), but alas those days are over. However, your catch can isn't exactly a can, but more so a tiny bowl. Do you see what I mean by it fills up with trash however? Moroso (aftermarket company) makes a can that I formerly used on my race applications, and I'm sure it's still around. It's LARGE compared to that however. I mounted mine to my firewall just behind the intake manifold. I dare say the size of it was about 1 quart, but don't quote me on that. I filled it about half way in about 3k miles with a turbocharged B20A5 (Honda, 1988 to 1989 Prelude fuel injected engine). If you can find a way to place the PCV on the other side of your bowl/can (hehe, but it IS WORKING), then you'll get some better results. There's another modification you can use to get "that" blow by (blown by the PCV and into the engine) debris from getting on your TB, and I'll simply have to post that up later.
http://dustin_palmer.tripod.com/home.html

That's my site from like eons ago. However, under the articles link, there should be one on Catch Cans; their design and purpose and how to install one. The pics have since been removed from the site I had them linked from, but I know they're still around and I really should try and find them again. Good read to say the least; hope this also helps some!

Dustin

well here's a link to a catch can using a larger filter also available at home depot:

http://tsx.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19219

but i'm not really sure i'd have any where to put it without a bit more extra work.

i couldn't find the link on your site to the catch can article //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

 

[01sugar2 10+ year member]

Okay so once again I goofed. Turns out, this article isn't even about catch cans! In my article section, I labeled it, "The Truth About Crankcase Breather Filters". It's been a long time since I did much with the site, but needless to say it's still pretty spot on. The hose that is mentioned in the article there refers to a slash cut tube. What the picture used to show was a simple air intake going into the throttle body, the intake manifold, and the hose from the air intake pipe (connected to the air filter) with the valve cover and PCV valve with its tube (leading into the intake manifold for burnt gas ventilation). In short, it's the entire air intake system along with the complete PCV system.

What it's saying is to take the inlet tube from the air pipe to the valve cover, and to insert a slash cut tube that sticks INTO the air pipe; in other words, to intrude into the air going into the throttle body just a little. A metal tube of some kind is best to use so that you don't have to worry about rubber or whatever coming apart or flexing and causing multiple problems. Another way to do this is to use a small 90 degree elbow and to point it towards the on coming air that's headed for the TB. THIS does nothing more than force clean air into the Valve Cover; plain and simple. But it does ensure that clean air is placed into the valve cover to help push the bad gasses out through the PCV Valve.

A follow up article was planed as I wanted to post a lot of info on the catch cans. Performance mod or not, anything that prevents oil from entering the combustion chamber is a good modification to make. ANY excess oil/blow-by you catch/trap, is that much less your engine tries to burn. That stuff causes bad smoke, kills spark plugs, causes missfires, very very poor O2 sensor readings which screws wtih your fuel maps/curves, and too much gassoline in the catalytic converters will cause them to melt; those are pretty darn expensive if you've never had to replace one. Oil can clog cats to, so be careful there as well. And no matter how new your vehicle is, I dare say there's almost no way to prevent blow-by of some kind (not for anything you or I will probably purchase anytime soon).... just food for thought.

Dustin