High voltage when tuning with DMM

When setting the gains with a DMM you do it UNLOADED.
I respectfully disagree with this statement. At a minimum one should use non-inductive dummy loads because the amplifier WILL respond differently when presented with the reactive load of a loudspeaker. While non-inductive dummy loads are far from a perfect scenario, they are better than the high impedance load presented to the amplifier by most multimeters. Heck, I've seen my share of class D amplifiers act totally WEIRD with only the DMM connected to them.

Finally, the DMM method should not be used as a means to an end but as a basic starting point as to how one should set their gains.

 
I respectfully disagree with this statement. At a minimum one should use non-inductive dummy loads because the amplifier WILL respond differently when presented with the reactive load of a loudspeaker. While non-inductive dummy loads are far from a perfect scenario, they are better than the high impedance load presented to the amplifier by most multimeters. Heck, I've seen my share of class D amplifiers act totally WEIRD with only the DMM connected to them.
Finally, the DMM method should not be used as a means to an end but as a basic starting point as to how one should set their gains.
The point of setting the gains with he amp unloaded is to keep joe schmo from destroying his subwoofers with a fully clipped 50hz sine wave //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 
Jesus christ, so much misinformation in one thread...
When setting the gains with a DMM you do it UNLOADED.
:FACEPALM:

I don't care what a JL audio tutorial says.. 99.9% of amps out there are not JL audio..

Take your run of the mill unregulated amp and set your gains as carfully as you want with the amp unloaded... now hook up a load and see what happens to your oh so carefully set output voltage... THIS AINT EXACTLY ROCKET SCIENCE...

 
so when i google "non-inductive dummy loads" or "dummy load resistors" i see them in 4 and 8 ohms, do they have them in 2 ohms and where can i buy them from?

 
i guess, lol..... so, i partied a bit last night, and recovered today, lol. anyways, as you stated, you were only pushing a 60 watt, and were not taxing the power supply, save for full, possibly clipped signal. also, you did nothing for imp. rise. i'll admit, i also do most of my tuning by ear listening for both signal distortion, clipping, and driver distortion. after all, you are tuning it to be heard by ear....... i also can't help but to use paper and a simple calculator to build enclosures, lol. anyways, the power level we are talking about here, you are going to see more difference once it begins to start passing some real current, both in supply voltage drop(unless you have your alt and such bucked up to prevent any, which would be overkill in this install) and, i suspect, output rail voltage. adversely, imp. rise, is going to make that voltage pass less power (measured in watts) via current drop. if your feed signal, the hu, begins to clip at 3/4, and you set the gains to that point, any signal greater will be playing a clipped/distorted signal, even if the amp is not actually clipping, which, in turn, will lower the actual power handling of the sub itself. so, i suppose, in the end, you could set it that way, then your 750watt driver will be protected from going over it's now 550watt rms limit, but i would rather feed it a clean 750. i'll still go out and clamp to see the real numbers, just need a couple days to go do it...

 
Yeah , i'll admit it probably wasnt the best example using a 60 watt channel for this test. LOL. but i figured it was a start toward a final answer. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif now get them vids up. My results were inconclusive as far as i can tell. at optimal levels i seen no drop but at higher votages (probably beyond this amp's point of clipping) i did see a drop. So get them vids up , hopefully you have a bigger amp than i did. LMAO!!

 
als, seeing how both my bench p/s and optimas took a shiz over the past 7years storage, etc, i'm going to have to do it on a stock 160a alt in my tahoe, so it may work out for better real-world results. maybe i'll go with 500/750/1k increments, if i have time.

 
so my PAC line out converter has 4 channels and when i turn the adjustable knob for LR and RR i notice the bass turns up on my sub (and also increases the voltage my amp sees when the dmm is hooked up.) when i had my amp installed the shop set the settings for those channels about half way but it was a different sub at the time.

that's why i originally started this post, because the high voltage the dmm was seeing when everything was turned down on HU and gain all the way down on amp. the voltage is high when those loc channels are turned up. how should i set these channels on the loc? and also, should i set the amp to 0.1 - 1.0v or 1.0 - 8.0v?

sorry for all the questions, i just wanna get the most out of my system.

 
well, that's because the sub amp is pulling the signal off the rear speakers, so adjusting those set the sub signal. did you try taking a reading of the rca voltage? i would set the switch at 1-8v, and set the loc voltage to 4v@ 3/4 volume on a tone with all settings @ 0/mid. that should get your adjustments on the amp gain close to middle.

 
als, seeing how both my bench p/s and optimas took a shiz over the past 7years storage, etc, i'm going to have to do it on a stock 160a alt in my tahoe, so it may work out for better real-world results. maybe i'll go with 500/750/1k increments, if i have time.
Well get it done already. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
Yeah , i'll admit it probably wasnt the best example using a 60 watt channel for this test. LOL. but i figured it was a start toward a final answer. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif now get them vids up. My results were inconclusive as far as i can tell.
As posted running a single channel at 4ohms on 2ohm stable amp is not going to tax the psu to the point where you are going to see much or any rail sag... next time try both channels driven at 2ohms and see what happens... the non true RMS DMM is also fail territory...

 
so when i google "non-inductive dummy loads" or "dummy load resistors" i see them in 4 and 8 ohms, do they have them in 2 ohms and where can i buy them from?
I use multiples to arrive at my particular ohm load. I have FOUR of these: http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=019-025

You can also save a few dollars by building your own: Audio Dummy Load Project Kit

Regardless, I DO NOT condone setting the amplifier gains via DMM in a no load situation with no way to verify clipping.

 
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