Hey you evolutionists...

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

obviously. read my last post. why would people be getting killed over it if there was an answer? i love how people think that they know so much about evolution, like they're nobel prize winning biologists who figured it all out, and they're going to share something with us that is so amazing that our tiny minds can't understand it. so instead of sharing with us their immense, all knowing wisdom, they tell us to read a book. that, i assure you, i have read. it's cute //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

I have addressed this issue. When trying to educate someone on evolution, if their reply is its obviously false because we dont have half woman and half kangaroo's running around, unless I/we are willing to go back and try to educte this worthless soul on the very basics of how evolution works, to show that a half human and half kangaroo is simply the thought process of someone totally ignorant of the subject, the only reply is 'read a book'. Honestly, if someone argued to you that 2+2=5... how do you respond to this? You tell them to go educate themselves. On the topic of evolution, idunnowhat is saying 2+2=5.
Are you suggestng you dont see the fundamental flaw in his education if he doesn't understand why we dont have 'half species'? Maybe all religious people simply need is a good solid 6th grade education?

 

[Dak446 10+ year member]

nope, im not suggesting that at all. im saying that people who are supporting this seem to dumb down evolution, by saying read a book. i have a great 6th grade education, and i comprehend biology better than most. i understand it entirely. what i am saying is that people's attitudes are that evolution is the end all THEORY or RELIGION, and that it is totally and utterly true. also, there is perfect evidence to support it, and that people who don't believe it are stupid, uneducated, and should go to sixth grade.

do u not understand where i am coming from? there is room for more than one THEORY on this planet. i emphasize theory, because, like i said, there is no conclusive evidence for anything in this respect. if there were, there would be one religion, law, etc. but there isn't, and that is why there are wars and debates and books and ca.com that revolve around the fact that it could go either way. i have made a few, little, factual statements that nobody has seemed to prove wrong. now, if evolution were the end-all fact, religion or whatever, why can nobody disprove them? THAT is why we are having this conversation, and that is why i have been completely correct with what i have said.

 

[idunnowhat 10+ year member]

BEcause it takes billions and billions of years.... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Smat ah?

 

[idunnowhat 10+ year member]

I have addressed this issue. When trying to educate someone on evolution, if their reply is its obviously false because we dont have half woman and half kangaroo's running around, unless I/we are willing to go back and try to educte this worthless soul on the very basics of how evolution works, to show that a half human and half kangaroo is simply the thought process of someone totally ignorant of the subject, the only reply is 'read a book'. Honestly, if someone argued to you that 2+2=5... how do you respond to this? You tell them to go educate themselves. On the topic of evolution, idunnowhat is saying 2+2=5.
Are you suggestng you dont see the fundamental flaw in his education if he doesn't understand why we dont have 'half species'? Maybe all religious people simply need is a good solid 6th grade education?

Don't you learn where to end a sentence, and put periods in 6th grade? LMAO

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

to an extent, yes. but i disagree, saying that evolution isn't a religion. a religion, by definition, is basically a set of beliefs. do u not "believe" that things evolve, if u believe in evolution? that makes no sense.
obviously, the things u used as examples are true, but you CANNOT say that science may be wrong. how do u know? there is no way to be certain that our current science practices today are correct, just like 100 years ago. it goes back and forth, forever and ever. and i agree, science is testable and observable. but can u test and observe the changing of millions of species over billions of years? no. there are realtively few fossils (i use that term loosely) compared to the billions and billions of organisms that have inhabited this earth. as stated before, there is no conclusive evidence either way. im stating that, and that is all. im saying that all the people on here that are "pro-evolution" act like they were around when it happened, and that religious people are stupid for believing in something that is just as easily believable as evolution.

For the billionth time in this thread, the major difference beyween religion and science is religion says 'believe' while science says 'go and out and learn via testing'. We can speculate that science, even at its most fundamentals, is wrong. But that's the beauty of science... the practice of science itself would reveal this flaw in the fundamental theories, and a newer and more accurate theory would emerge. This has happened many times before. Science has room to be wrong, encourages finding out if it is. Religion encourages closing your mind and simply ccepting what you are told. To try and call science a 'religion' is to not understand or state the fundamental differences between the two, in an attempt to place 'faith' on the same level as scientific testing.
The fact that religion is aspiring to emulate science just shows that religion is in its declining years. Evolution of the human mind will put it past the need for such a crutch eventually.

We know what God is... God is merely everything humans do not understand. The absolute origin of the universe... must be God right? No other logical explanation than a divine creator? And people use to think there was no other logical explanation for rain than God himself. God made babies, weather, astrological phenomenon, etc. All things modern science now easily explains as naturally occuring phenomenons, were once considered obviously the hand of God... simply because we didnt comprehend it at the time. Are we so vain as to assume we now have all possible answers humans can attain, and everything we dont understand (like origins and infinity), we never will because they are the face of God? Pretty short sighted attitude.

 

[SRim23 5,000+ posts]

Do they really not have to pay taxes? Daang... I'm all for it lol Consider that 3.5 (and 1) million. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

JK(For mister down there>>&gt

the people that follow the religions dont get out of paying taxes, the church gets out of paying taxes. so money mr hubbard made selling his books and stealing from all the people to pay for their "stages" or whatever they call them is virtually tax free.

 

[idunnowhat 10+ year member]

For the billionth time in this thread, the major difference beyween religion and science is religion says 'believe' while science says 'go and out and learn via testing'. We can speculate that science, even at its most fundamentals, is wrong. But that's the beauty of science... the practice of science itself would reveal this flaw in the fundamental theories, and a newer and more accurate theory would emerge. This has happened many times before. Science has room to be wrong, encourages finding out if it is. Religion encourages closing your mind and simply ccepting what you are told. To try and call science a 'religion' is to not understand or state the fundamental differences between the two, in an attempt to place 'faith' on the same level as scientific testing.
The fact that religion is aspiring to emulate science just shows that religion is in its declining years. Evolution of the human mind will put it past the need for such a crutch eventually.

We know what God is... God is merely everything humans do not understand. The absolute origin of the universe... must be God right? No other logical explanation than a divine creator? And people use to think there was no other logical explanation for rain than God himself. God made babies, weather, astrological phenomenon, etc. All things modern science now easily explains as naturally occuring phenomenons, were once considered obviously the hand of God... simply because we didnt comprehend it at the time. Are we so vain as to assume we now have all possible answers humans can attain, and everything we dont understand (like origins and infinity), we never will because they are the face of God? Pretty short sighted attitude.

Why do you keep saying evolution can be tested?

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

We've already seen and tested evolution.

 

[idunnowhat 10+ year member]

You've tested adaptations in a species... but the "end" result of a new species can't be tested.

Because as it has be stated a few times, "It takes billions of years".

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

nope, im not suggesting that at all. im saying that people who are supporting this seem to dumb down evolution, by saying read a book. i have a great 6th grade education, and i comprehend biology better than most. i understand it entirely. what i am saying is that people's attitudes are that evolution is the end all THEORY or RELIGION, and that it is totally and utterly true. also, there is perfect evidence to support it, and that people who don't believe it are stupid, uneducated, and should go to sixth grade.
do u not understand where i am coming from? there is room for more than one THEORY on this planet. i emphasize theory, because, like i said, there is no conclusive evidence for anything in this respect. if there were, there would be one religion, law, etc. but there isn't, and that is why there are wars and debates and books and ca.com that revolve around the fact that it could go either way. i have made a few, little, factual statements that nobody has seemed to prove wrong. now, if evolution were the end-all fact, religion or whatever, why can nobody disprove them? THAT is why we are having this conversation, and that is why i have been completely correct with what i have said.

I say udunnowhat needs to educate himself on the topic before he preaches it is wrong, and your reply is that I act like there is no room for other theories on this planet. Sure, have all the counter theories you guys want, knock yourselves out. But dont come here and tell us how the theory of evolution is wrong because there is no kangaroo-people, or because it stopped 2000 years ago, and then suggest you understand the theory of evolution. If someone enters this conversation that, imo is at a 12th grade level (or so) and tries to preach to us with their

 

[95ZJ 10+ year member]

I'm a creationist and completely agree with the evolution theory. Quite the conundrum...but as for the guy who said something about evolution stopping, how can you explain children being born immune to the effects of antibiotics? Because their parents and the previous generations have already adapted to those antibodies and therefore they are passed down.

 

[Dak446 10+ year member]

For the billionth time in this thread, the major difference beyween religion and science is religion says 'believe' while science says 'go and out and learn via testing'. We can speculate that science, even at its most fundamentals, is wrong. But that's the beauty of science... the practice of science itself would reveal this flaw in the fundamental theories, and a newer and more accurate theory would emerge. This has happened many times before. Science has room to be wrong, encourages finding out if it is. Religion encourages closing your mind and simply ccepting what you are told. To try and call science a 'religion' is to not understand or state the fundamental differences between the two, in an attempt to place 'faith' on the same level as scientific testing.
The fact that religion is aspiring to emulate science just shows that religion is in its declining years. Evolution of the human mind will put it past the need for such a crutch eventually.

We know what God is... God is merely everything humans do not understand. The absolute origin of the universe... must be God right? No other logical explanation than a divine creator? And people use to think there was no other logical explanation for rain than God himself. God made babies, weather, astrological phenomenon, etc. All things modern science now easily explains as naturally occuring phenomenons, were once considered obviously the hand of God... simply because we didnt comprehend it at the time. Are we so vain as to assume we now have all possible answers humans can attain, and everything we dont understand (like origins and infinity), we never will because they are the face of God? Pretty short sighted attitude.

u really, really, really don't understand what i am saying. did i once say what side i was on in this? no. i merely stated that nearly everyone, including you, in this thread has pointed to a book for the answers. well, where do religious people point to? a book. teh bible, korahn (sp?) etc. im saying, you come in here, acting like u know the answers to the origins of the world, and i have to say, that is the typical attitude of most people who believe in evolution. religious people are so stupid, because they believe differently than them, that the only response to them is to say "read a book". well, like i said before, u could read a book also. it never stops

i didn't disagree w/ many religions being short sided, or any of that. u don't know what every religion out there believes. im pretty certain of that. neither do i. but i do know that the catholic religion is a joke, and it seems like you base alot of your answers upon that pathetic excuse for a religion. religion is a science, like science is a religion. both are changing (for the most part). new discoveries in science go along w/ new findings of scriptures, revised thoughts about creators, etc. there are differences between religions, and, like i said before, that's why many wars were started. now, u call me closed minded, for some reason i am yet to understand, as i haven't even stated my opinion, but u are the one who says that there could not possibly be a creator, blah blah blah.

as if you haven't gotten the point yet, it is this. u don't know the answers to the universe. darwin has a theory. the pope has one too. darwin is no better than the pope. nobody has the right to say they are right, because, if they were, then only one religion or truth or theory would exist. so go publish a paper on your findings, and we will all convert to evolutionism (is that even a word?) //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

u really, really, really don't understand what i am saying. did i once say what side i was on in this? no. i merely stated that nearly everyone, including you, in this thread has pointed to a book for the answers. well, where do religious people point to? a book. teh bible, korahn (sp?) etc. im saying, you come in here, acting like u know the answers to the origins of the world, and i have to say, that is the typical attitude of most people who believe in evolution. religious people are so stupid, because they believe differently than them, that the only response to them is to say "read a book". well, like i said before, u could read a book also. it never stops

Getting tired of repeating myself to you, while you insist Im the one not getting it. We both use books as proof... oh what a deep point to not get! The problem is, the book creationists point to cant be proven, doesn't even want you to question it. While the evolutionists books are all based on independant testing, a search for truth based on reality and real facts/test results.

Lastly, you still dont get that he is being told to educate himself not simply because he disagrees, but he does so in a manner that is ignorant. That is not a flame, it is fact. The theory of evolution explains exactly why there are no kangaroo-people, but his ignorance and arrogance combine to make a person who preaches nonsense. Evolution is false because there are non kangaroo-people is nonsense, and Im sorry if it bothers you, is a topic learned in approx 6th grade.

 

[perfecxionX 10+ year member]

to an extent, yes. but i disagree, saying that evolution isn't a religion. a religion, by definition, is basically a set of beliefs. do u not "believe" that things evolve, if u believe in evolution? that makes no sense.
obviously, the things u used as examples are true, but you CANNOT say that science may be wrong. how do u know? there is no way to be certain that our current science practices today are correct, just like 100 years ago. it goes back and forth, forever and ever. and i agree, science is testable and observable. but can u test and observe the changing of millions of species over billions of years? no. there are realtively few fossils (i use that term loosely) compared to the billions and billions of organisms that have inhabited this earth. as stated before, there is no conclusive evidence either way. im stating that, and that is all. im saying that all the people on here that are "pro-evolution" act like they were around when it happened, and that religious people are stupid for believing in something that is just as easily believable as evolution.

First of all I think most people would disagree that religion is nothing more than a set of beliefs. I don't think we need to waste time on semantics though. The point is that one set of beliefs is rationally justifiable and one isn't.

Is that what your thinking when your in an airplane cruising at 30,000 feet: "there is no way to be certain that our current science practices today are correct, just like 100 years ago." Is that what you think when you let a doctor inject a vaccine into you? Is that what you plan to argue in court when DNA evidence places you at the scene of the crime?

There is far more data supporting evolution than just the fossil records. Heres some videos to watch before you decide "there is no conclusive evidence either way"

(first hour)
this is more accessible to a lay person

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/programs/ht/wm/3416_06_220.html

 

[Trey803 5,000+ posts]

nope, im not suggesting that at all. im saying that people who are supporting this seem to dumb down evolution, by saying read a book. i have a great 6th grade education, and i comprehend biology better than most. i understand it entirely. what i am saying is that people's attitudes are that evolution is the end all THEORY or RELIGION, and that it is totally and utterly true. also, there is perfect evidence to support it, and that people who don't believe it are stupid, uneducated, and should go to sixth grade.
do u not understand where i am coming from? there is room for more than one THEORY on this planet. i emphasize theory, because, like i said, there is no conclusive evidence for anything in this respect. if there were, there would be one religion, law, etc. but there isn't, and that is why there are wars and debates and books and ca.com that revolve around the fact that it could go either way. i have made a few, little, factual statements that nobody has seemed to prove wrong. now, if evolution were the end-all fact, religion or whatever, why can nobody disprove them? THAT is why we are having this conversation, and that is why i have been completely correct with what i have said.

Do you really want pictures of my genetics book and all the shit I have to learn for that class?