ok dudeOh I've used them, how could somebody not, everybody and their left testicle owns one. My sister and dad both have them, 75% of my friends do. I'm as familiar with iPods as I am with my iRiver. I'm not saying iPods are bad, as I said earlier, they are a great player. They just dont have the features others do.. especially for the price. They are the bandwagon player which people defend to the end. Thats not a bad thing really. We've seen our share of bandwagon products on this forum, most are indeed great products, but those who own them will defend them like they are the best thing ever. Am I the only one that realizes this? Dont need a technical explanation.... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif You're right, we'll just say the ipod is the best without a reason...