Has anyone read this yet from DRAG...

[Joe Mamma 10+ year member]

i think it is the best thing that wayne could do, because lets face it, db drag has been going downhill pretty bad lately.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

If the idea is to make the sport grow, then you need to simplify it. Not complicate matters with limiting equipment that can be used. If you want to fix the street classes limit the runs of power wire and for make fuses mandatory. Cap the note that can be played at 50 hz. As far as bringing the retail shops back into the mix, they created competitions and now the competitions have outgrown them. Why would a shop owner host a comp, if they are not going to sell more products as a result. If your shops sells Kicker and DD dominates your show, it just doesn't make good business sense. I think it is too late to bring the shops back into the mix. If we want to save the sport we need to take a new approach to hosting shows.

i think you have that back wards about who out grew who where when and why. shops used to hold more shows with that came manufacturer support and more money put into the shows to make them wanted to be seen by spectators

 

[DBDRAGGUY 10+ year member]

i think you have that back wards about who out grew who where when and why. shops used to hold more shows with that came manufacturer support and more money put into the shows to make them wanted to be seen by spectators

Your right, I should have said grown apart.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Your right, I should have said grown apart.

that is about as accurate of a statement one could make!

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

I will never compete because I cannot devote the amount of money it takes to be competitive locally, let alone nationally. Now say I can only buy certain retail chain products which can sometimes give lower performance/dollar than an internet brand I have access to? Why would I spend more money for less product just to compete?

Tell me where this is getting better again? This might be better for the industry in some way but for me, the cheap bastard that I am, I don't see this as a step closer in me wanting to compete.

For the industry's sake, I hope that everybody sees it differently than I do.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

I will never compete because I cannot devote the amount of money it takes to be competitive locally, let alone nationally. Now say I can only buy certain retail chain products which can sometimes give lower performance/dollar than an internet brand I have access to? Why would I spend more money for less product just to compete?
Tell me where this is getting better again? This might be better for the industry in some way but for me, the cheap bastard that I am, I don't see this as a step closer in me wanting to compete.

For the industry's sake, I hope that everybody sees it differently than I do.

noone knows what will be on the lists yet so how do you know?

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

noone knows what will be on the lists yet so how do you know?

It just looked like this would be retail store based brands, which would leave out a few internet based companies here in the U.S. (not that many). Thats how I was making my list. It sounded like a company may be a DB drag supporter but if not available at a brick and morter then they aren't allowed (thats my assumption from that post, and you know what people say about assumptions).

Honestly when I see stuff like this I think back to when I was a kid growin up and audio seemed like a much bigger industry and had more appeal than it does now. When I was younger I went to competitions and always wanted to compete, now...not so much. I'm lost sometimes trying to figure out why. Maybe when I was younger I didn't realize how much it really took to compete at a respectable level...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

 

[DBDRAGGUY 10+ year member]

It just looked like this would be retail store based brands, which would leave out a few internet based companies here in the U.S. (not that many). Thats how I was making my list. It sounded like a company may be a DB drag supporter but if not available at a brick and morter then they aren't allowed (thats my assumption from that post, and you know what people say about assumptions).
Honestly when I see stuff like this I think back to when I was a kid growin up and audio seemed like a much bigger industry and had more appeal than it does now. When I was younger I went to competitions and always wanted to compete, now...not so much. I'm lost sometimes trying to figure out why. Maybe when I was younger I didn't realize how much it really took to compete at a respectable level...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

I am getting the same impression of limiting what can be used. A new would be competitor shows up with an amp he got from his brother or bought from a friend and its not on the approved equipment list. He gets thrown to the wolves and never returns. I was 15 when I got the bug, and before I had a car I was collecting used equipment for my system . I am sure this is the scenario for alot of new guys coming into the sport. So limiting equipment isn't the answer. The big retailers are behind the times with getting the product to the people for a reasonable price. Now Db Drag is going to attempt to bridge the gap in hopes that it will bring revenue. The competitors make this sport, not the retailers. How many local shops have you seen go under in the last 5 years? 5-7 just in my area alone. The internet retailers are offering better products at the same or better prices. Who are you going to buy from?

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

http://www.termpro.com/dbdrag/rules/2008/matrix08B.htm

So a guy with a 15 in the back of his SUV gets to compete with a guy with an extreme built vehicle with the 15 walled off and all modifications allowed in the extreme classes?

Off topic of the"approved list" hardware but still seems outta whack.

 

[Fear Of Theive 10+ year member]

So does this mean..That this summer since i wanted to run street B I can't and i gotta do like ss?

And i wonder what they'd do for people Like Team Wolfpack- Bill Makes his own subs?

 

[mjf 10+ year member]

this being a way to give the bigger companies more money //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

this is probably one of the most idiotic ideas ive seen in quite a long time.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

It just looked like this would be retail store based brands, which would leave out a few internet based companies here in the U.S. (not that many). Thats how I was making my list. It sounded like a company may be a DB drag supporter but if not available at a brick and morter then they aren't allowed (thats my assumption from that post, and you know what people say about assumptions).
Honestly when I see stuff like this I think back to when I was a kid growin up and audio seemed like a much bigger industry and had more appeal than it does now. When I was younger I went to competitions and always wanted to compete, now...not so much. I'm lost sometimes trying to figure out why. Maybe when I was younger I didn't realize how much it really took to compete at a respectable level...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

how are these companies supporting db drag? by getting product out? you might see it as one sided as that but it takes alot more than that to help support a show. takes sponsership money to hold other events to make it a real show that has a crowd and spectators as well as competitors can win other prizes.

all this "pricing" i hear about is a little strange as you have full retail, and MAP prices. i have yet seen a dealer not at least off MAP to help get a sale. that price although higher than ebay is still a fair price. over all starting from scratch i would venture to say to be REAL WORLD competitive the costs will be much less. i highly doubt you will need 2 5000 +++watt amps to be competitive. to those that say "this will kill it" the way it has been going over the last few years doing the last 2-3 years seems to have been killing itself.

 

[delvryboy 5,000+ posts]

Look at it this way...... nothing is stopping anyone from buying from internet stores.

 

[2critical 10+ year member]

this being a way to give the bigger companies more money //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif
this is probably one of the most idiotic ideas ive seen in quite a long time.

x2

 

[2critical 10+ year member]

IMO, The problem isn't that companies like DD, RE, Sundown, etc. are kikin' that arse. If you think about it, competitors come from spectators, the truth is this has got to be worse than golf from a spectators point of view. I recently went to a show to watch the SPL and when they started at 1 pm we went over. The guy we had seen earlier sitting on his arse all morning is running that part of the show. Well he starts to "tech in" the first car. 15 mins. later you hear a couple notes. Repeat process, if nothing is wrong. If it is add another 5-10 mins. before the guy makes his run.