Hi iceteebone, yep i am thinking to get that orion, it is refurbished( it means used and renewed?), it puts out 1200rms at 1 ohms? at 4ohms its 425rms and at 2 ohms its 800rms just lke the directed?well i am not an expert...but it seems that u really appreciate the orion amps guys, i must take a decision and buy an amp in the next few hours and i am leaning toward that orion. Any help?? thx iceteebone