DidUHearThat?
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I agree with the opinion of the FBI and SWAT teams on what is the best choice for dealing with bad guys indoors.
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In a frontal assault on someone's home, I agree with SWAT.
DidUHearThat?
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It makes no difference to the bullet which direction it's going. The dirt bag bleeding on my carpet won't complain either.
Just going to throw my .02 into this and step away....
DidUHearThat is correct about the .223 round. I researched this heavily in 1999 for a large local law enforcement department. Though I would leave the AR-15 to someone with knowledge of guns and the willingness to train with that weapon. It can be complicated for the average user in a 'point and shoot' scenario.
Now, for the OP. Go buy a Mossberg 12 guage with an 18" barrel. This is a dependable firearm with a decent price and plenty of accessories available to tailor the weapon for hunting, etc. Remember the barrel must remain at 18" and the length of the weapon must be no less than 26". Consider using one of the larger birdshot shells in your home.
A few posts back someone mentioned the 12 gauge would only be their choice if it were sawed off. First, you don't want to go there. It will not be a smart choice in the long run, unless you have the appropriate ATF stamp. Second, the dispersion characteristics between an 18" barrel and a shortened barrel at distances covered in a normal home will not be noticeable. The theory that a sawed off shotgun will funnel out to a huge wall of death and kill everything in its path is a misnomer. The only viable reason would be a slight ease in movement around the premises.
DidUHearThat is correct about the .223 round. I researched this heavily in 1999 for a large local law enforcement department. Though I would leave the AR-15 to someone with knowledge of guns and the willingness to train with that weapon. It can be complicated for the average user in a 'point and shoot' scenario.
Now, for the OP. Go buy a Mossberg 12 guage with an 18" barrel. This is a dependable firearm with a decent price and plenty of accessories available to tailor the weapon for hunting, etc. Remember the barrel must remain at 18" and the length of the weapon must be no less than 26". Consider using one of the larger birdshot shells in your home.
A few posts back someone mentioned the 12 gauge would only be their choice if it were sawed off. First, you don't want to go there. It will not be a smart choice in the long run, unless you have the appropriate ATF stamp. Second, the dispersion characteristics between an 18" barrel and a shortened barrel at distances covered in a normal home will not be noticeable. The theory that a sawed off shotgun will funnel out to a huge wall of death and kill everything in its path is a misnomer. The only viable reason would be a slight ease in movement around the premises.
BobbyDD
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If you try to use something like that in close combat you're going to get your *** handed to you.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gifI agree with the opinion of the FBI and SWAT teams on what is the best choice for dealing with bad guys indoors.
You misread. He said "If a sawed off was legal, I'd tend to agree". I don't think he was referring to the shot dispersion, but to the fact that a shorter gun is much easier to maneuver in close quarters. Would it be harder to disarm someone that has a handgun, or someone that has a 3' shotgun or rifle?
mrwigglezdj
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i know this is a dumb thread now and have left it alone but this i have to say something about...
yes guns are dangerious, the person holding one can kill (not the gun, guns dont kill people do) but i know of one innocend where a friend of mine , almost got rick rolled at home around 230 in the am. some guys he knew busted in his front door and attacked him on the couch, not knowing he had a sks under the couch loaded with a 30 rd clip and extra clips under there, well when they knocked him to the ground he was able to retrive the sks and he opend up on there bug eyed bastard ***'s, shot one mans thumb off and planted on dead center of his chest, the other go shot in the arm as he dove off the porch, and the 3rd hauld *** as soon as he seen the gun, well moral of the story neither men died , and the chest wound went clean thru and the guy was in icu for 5 days.
so just because you have a ak47 or sks or ar or what ever, doesnt mean youre going to know how to defend yourself with a rifle and kill someone you might just pop off some rounds like my buddie did and then sit in jail because you were defending yourself and the 1/2 lb of bud under the couch as well lol..
i would rather have my 9mm in my hand in any situation so i can point my finger and shoot, and better belive i will dump all 17 rds into someones *** when i get my chance
DidUHearThat?
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Is that why it's the first choice for CQB for the FBI, SWAT, and most military CQB teams around the world?
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For the average person? I'd say they are equal.
For me? Well, let's just say they wouldn't get close enough to find out! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Actually anyone with any training would choose to disarm (like you would have a choice) an opponent with a handgun, of course this goes to the tactics side of the discussion and isn't what the OP was asking, but a longer weapon allows more leverage to be applied by both parties while the holder gets to choose how he/she holds the weapon. Myself, I would rather be at the muzzle end of a handgun during an altercation. Definitely not the muzzle end of a rifle or shotgun.
BobbyDD
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Do you have any common sense? The FBI and SWAT have a numbers advantage as well as the element of surprise in their favor. They also wear body armor and helmets, do you wear that to bed. Don't compare situations that have nothing to do with each other.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif
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BobbyDD
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Most home owners are not as awesome as you apparently.
Maddogg7888
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haha that made me laugh but if u wanted to be sweet ud get this
DidUHearThat?
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//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gifDo you have any common sense? The FBI and SWAT have a numbers advantage as well as the element of surprise in their favor. They also wear body armor and helmets, do you wear that to bed. Don't compare situations that have nothing to do with each other.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif
How does any of that effect the ballistics of the piece of lead comming out of my carbine entering your chest if you were in my hallway? It doesn't.
I suppose you could explain why you think I would get my "*** handed to me" if you tried a home invasion, but you haven't.
DidUHearThat?
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What about zombies?
audioholic
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I did say 'if it wasnt illegal'. And I never mentioned dispersion patterns or a 'wall of death'. It appears as though you misunderstood everything you read in my post.
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I own most weapons we've mentioned here. If I wke up in the middle of the night and hear/recognize an intruder is in my home, do I grab for the AR I apparently have stuffed under my bed, loaded, or a pistol? In a civil and non-emergency situation like talking in this thread, its easy to say you'd grab a rifle, apply the silencer, dial 911 on your blackberry while simultaneously head shotting the intruder by utilizing your skills of dark-death learned from playing Halo 4. But in reality you are going to want to have something you can conceal easily, yet produce quickly. A rifle simply falls short in comparison to a pistol in this regard, yes even a shotgun.
Once I have this weapon in my hands, am I looking at a full frontal assault type of situation, or more of a duck and cover? Most people will revert to the latter. Is a rifle, shotgun, or pistol the most easily maneuverable in close quarters? Are you going be using your scope in your hallway? Do you require a rifle barrel in order to hit your target from across your livingroom? Maybe you have a reason why you'd prefer a weapon that requires both hands to operate in that situation...?
The point is alot of you have this 'leave the dirt bag bleeding on my carpet' attitude... I hope you never have to truly face this situation. Id greatly settle for the cops showing up and not finding ME bleeding on my carpet. And if you think thats not possible, be it with your pistol, shotgun or assault rifle... you are only fooling yourselves.
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