Gun Control

even if "gun control" laws are passed how many people do you think will honestly turn in all their guns to the goverment.
if anyone think that taking guns out of people hands that own them to defend themselves and occasionally fire off a few rounds at the range will solve any problems your a bigger joke than the congressmen that are wanting to pass the lows.
I like firing off a few rounds outside when ive been drinking fire water all evening about 2 or 3 in the morning...It keeps the neighbors at bay ....thinking I'm a little crazy //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif so they know not to fvck with me......

 
well i dont think ive heard anyone argue that all guns should be banned and turned in. That would take quite a significant legal argument to completely flip 200 years of 2nd amendment interpretation. But do you think anyone and everyone should be able to buy any type of weapon? Should paranoid schizophrenics with histories of violence be able to buy a mac-10 with armor piercing rounds no questions asked? If not, then where do you think the line should be?
and i dont think ive said anyone should be able to buy a weapon. there is a reason that there is a background check on all new weapons. that said good fucking luck trying to stop all gun sales and yard sales and flea markets.

and the way you talk im assuming you have never looked into what it takes to buy a class 3 weapon.

 
ok.

the people who want guns will have them. just like the people who want drugs get them.

when buying from a gun shop you can just walk in buy a gun and walk out. there is a good bit of paperwork and often times a waiting period that is involved. especially where the automatic guns come into play.

there is one simple fact that makes gun control useless. and that is that there will always be a place for people to get them. and the people that commit the most crimes with them will be the quickest to get them and get them in the largest numbers.

 
Im all for the right to bear arms. I agree that since it is in the Bill of Rights we should be allowed to PROTECT ourselves.. I don't see a problem with shotguns or rifles. It's the semi-auto and full auto assault rifles that are unnecessary. And for every 1 legitimate use of an automatic-semi-auto weapon, there is probably a thousand illegitimate.

 
well here in NC you will go to jail till the investigation is over.
Well would you still take that chance with your family at risk?

I for one would have no problem spending a few days in jail during an investigation for a clean shoot then have to spend the rest of my life visiting my son or daughter or wife's grave.

So yo do jail time in NC during the investigation?I think not. In 99% of the time, if you are arrested it is for something els or something in your story just is not right.

They (cops) usually find something illegal in the home, drugs and what not.

One dead after botched home invasion(NC)

This man in NC did not spend a second in jail.

Man killed in east Charlotte home invasion (NC)

This NC woman did not spend any time in jail during the investigation.

Woman fatally shoots home invasion suspect - WBTV 3 News, Weather, Sports, and Traffic for Charlotte, NC-

No jail time for this NC woman either.

Like I said, in cases where people get arrested at the spot for a self defense shooting, it usually because they have an illegal weapon, outstanding warrants, drugs and what not.

There was one recently in Fl where a home owner shot one of 2 teen that broke into his home. He was arrested 3 days later because the investigators

found some drugs in his home. He was never charged with the shooting, just the drugs.

 
well here in NC you will go to jail till the investigation is over.
I guess in some states, That's up to the judge, but upon first initial investigation, if its due to self defense, the home victim shouldn't have any jail time during the investigation

 
guns dont kill people kill

libtards wanna shut this country down and give all our jobs away......well the jobs are gone

but the guns will remain.....

Anti-Gunners are some of the most biased dummys I ever met.....I mean they have never even owned a gun,trained or

even shot a pistol but they want them banned.......How about they learn some gun education and try a few then tell me

how bad they really are.....I have hates too but I hate them because I tried them first and made up my own mind

Yesterday some nut job drove a small airplane into his mothers house trying to kill her,should we ban small planes too?

 
guns dont kill people killlibtards wanna shut this country down and give all our jobs away......well the jobs are gone

but the guns will remain.....

Anti-Gunners are some of the most biased dummys I ever met.....I mean they have never even owned a gun,trained or

even shot a pistol but they want them banned.......How about they learn some gun education and try a few then tell me

how bad they really are.....I have hates too but I hate them because I tried them first and made up my own mind

Yesterday some nut job drove a small airplane into his mothers house trying to kill her,should we ban small planes too?
I seen that, crazy....

And yes guns do not kill. I can leave a loaded gun on the table and it will not hurt a soul. Until that is, a soul picks it up....

 
Well would you still take that chance with your family at risk?I for one would have no problem spending a few days in jail during an investigation for a clean shoot then have to spend the rest of my life visiting my son or daughter or wife's grave.

So yo do jail time in NC during the investigation?I think not. In 99% of the time, if you are arrested it is for something els or something in your story just is not right.

They (cops) usually find something illegal in the home, drugs and what not.

One dead after botched home invasion(NC)

This man in NC did not spend a second in jail.

Man killed in east Charlotte home invasion (NC)

This NC woman did not spend any time in jail during the investigation.

Woman fatally shoots home invasion suspect - WBTV 3 News, Weather, Sports, and Traffic for Charlotte, NC-

No jail time for this NC woman either.

Like I said, in cases where people get arrested at the spot for a self defense shooting, it usually because they have an illegal weapon, outstanding warrants, drugs and what not.

There was one recently in Fl where a home owner shot one of 2 teen that broke into his home. He was arrested 3 days later because the investigators

found some drugs in his home. He was never charged with the shooting, just the drugs.
im just going off what the sheriff told me in our ccw course.

 
I like firing off a few rounds outside when ive been drinking fire water all evening about 2 or 3 in the morning...It keeps the neighbors at bay ....thinking I'm a little crazy //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif so they know not to fvck with me......
I really hope you are joking . If not you are the exact reason why the Libs want gun control. you shouldn't even be allowed to own a gun.

 
Sorry it took me a few minutes of looking at your argument to make sense of what was wrong with it. I believe it can be simplified to: P-criminals dont abide by laws, C-therefore gun laws dont affect criminals. This is called a tautology.Tautology - New World Encyclopedia.

Your argument is necessarily true, it can never be false because the conclusion simply restates the premise. Its like me saying nuclear weapons aren't dangerous in the hands of a competent country. This is a true argument(ignoring the exception of accidents, something that can also happen with guns), but in reality a competent country can become an incompetent country. My tautology will still be true, but the likelihood of nuclear catastrophe has become very high. If no countries have nuclear weapons there is 0% chance that a nuclear war will occur. It is mathematical certainty. In the same way a law abiding gun owner can buy a gun and then later very easily become a non law abiding gun owner. Also in the same way 0 guns in the hands of 0 people give 0% chance of gun violence. And as gun ownership increases the chance of gun violence consequently increases. I hope you can now see why your argument is ultimately useless.

With that said, let me say that i do not support an entire ban on guns. I support more laws making it difficult for people to get guns, particularly concealable or high rate of fire weapons that make it easy for a crazy or dangerous person to hurt a lot of people in a matter of seconds. Even more specifically, i support laws that make it difficult for people who are more likely to commit gun violence to obtain guns, such as convicts or the mentally ill. Do even you think it should be easy for someone like jared loughner to get a hold of a high-cap glock?

One last thing- i referenced data from a study that was published in a reputable academic journal. That doesnt mean it is necessarily an unflawed study but thats why i include citations- if you want to pick apart the methodology or conclusions you are more than free to do so. I wouldnt be surprised if that study does in fact have problems with it. You can, and should, do the same thing with the claims youve made. Just make sure they are from credible sources (academic journals or governmental reports), cite them, and if i am skeptical about the conclusions or data i have the choice to look closer at the given study.

If it's a tautology, that just proves how indefensible your argument is. Your argument is based on a flawed premise. You are making the case that, we should govern based on accidents. That is what your statistics were about and that is what your nuclear analogy was about, so that is your only point so far. With that being said, how many car accidents are there a year? How many boat and motorcycle accidents? Since those totals are FAR greater than gun accidents, wouldn't it make more sense based on your logic in your argument to ban those first?

Next, you mentioned jared loughner. The premise of your argument is that since he bought a gun brand new and used it in an illegal way, that had he not been able to buy a brand new gun the crime would be prevented. That of course cannot be substantiated. Guns are, and always will be easy to obtain illegally. There are no laws that can be written to prevent it. Drugs are illegal right now, yet anyone can buy them anywhere. Your entire argument cannot be backed up with logic.

Fully automatic and concealable weapons are necessary for law abiding citizens to protect themselves from these criminals. If a group of males breaks into a home to ****, kill, and burglarize, an individuals only hope is to be able to sling more lead down range faster than they can. This levels the playing field. Concealable weapons are small and compact and much easier to manuever around corners in your house. A shotgun can get a person killed by making noise when bumping into walls, or being seen before the person rounds the corner.

 
im just going off what the sheriff told me in our ccw course.
You said and I quote "I know all about it...".....

You should really look into these laws especially if you are going to have a ccw permit. You should never just take someone's word for it, even if they are a cop. If you do get into a bind, telling them a cop said so will not help you one bit.

The laws are the laws.

 
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