Gun Control

[AlterEgo99 5,000+ posts]

That is why I am glad to live in the great old state of Texas. They passed a law about a year and a half ago stating you could carry a loaded hand gun in your vehicle to and from work/home WITHOUT a CHL. There are several loopholes in this law. Main one being how would they prove that you weren't going home if you were going to a friends house etc.... They made the law like such for such flexibility.
So I carry a .40 Glock in the center console of my truck. Now remember also, that if you have a CHL or if you live in Texas with this law, if you are impaired, drug or alcohol, and you have the gun with you, automatic felony. I think some people fail to forget that in Texas.

I feel keeping a hand gun in the truck and a 12 gauge shotgun in the house is needed, unless you live in a rural area, like my old town in Oklahoma of 1200 people where everyone knew everyone. But having a shotgun in your vehicle isn't very handy when in most instances when you need it, someone runs up to your window to jack you. Can't grab your shotgun out of truck very well and very quickly. Much easier to cock a hangun back alot easier too than a shotgun when sitting in a car/pickup

God Bless Texas! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/woot.gif.aaa6090e619a97b6090d16dd863c5a69.gif

 

[perfecxionX 10+ year member]

It's illegal to commit crimes with guns already... so what is a law saying you cannot HAVE guns going to do? Simply disarm law abiding citizens. Outlawing guns to prevent crime is a logical fallacy.

so your saying:

P: criminals dont abide by laws

P: law abiding gun owners abide by laws

---->

C: therefore gun laws only affect law abiding gun owners (and your furthering this to gun laws fail to reduce gun violence?)

When put in these terms, can you see what is wrong with your thinking? The logic is internally valid but your using words whose definition limit your consideration of the impact guns have on crime. Unfortunately the real world is more complex than can be appreciated by a simple syllogism. Not all gun violence is intentional or premeditated. What was once a law abiding citizen is not always a law abiding citizen. etc

To illustrate this point consider:

While handguns account for only one-third of all firearms owned in the United States, they account for more than two-thirds of all firearm-related deaths each year. A gun in the home is 4 times more likely to be involved in an unintentional shooting, 7 times more likely to be used to commit a criminal assault or homicide, and 11 times more likely to be used to attempt or commit ******* than to be used in self-defense.
(A Kellerman, et al. Journal of Trauma, August 1998; Kellerman AL, Lee RK, Mercy JA, et al. “The Epidemiological Basis for the Prevention of Firearm Injuries.” Annu.Rev Public Health. 1991; 12:17-40.)

 

[carlosg_313 10+ year member]

God Bless Texas! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/woot.gif.aaa6090e619a97b6090d16dd863c5a69.gif

x2(im originally from california. lol)

 

[thevic24 5,000+ posts]

Gun control....hell ya, being able to hit your target on the first shot at ANY distance FTMFW!!

Just a few of the med. to long range toys I have....

 

[Trancer 10+ year member]

Man, those are some sexy guns bro. I really like that sniper rifle. What is that? Any chance you live in Texas so I can get my hands on some of those?

 

[xX J Brutal Xx 10+ year member]

that is the dumbest fvcking thing i have ever heard. Bad guys can always get illegal guns. Gun control just leaves the good guy defenseless. Im sorry but if every good guy carried a gun the bad guy would think twice before doing anything bad. do you think Columbine or Virginia Tech would have been half as bad if the teachers and professors were able to Conceal Carry and defend themselves???.......fvck no! chances are really good that they might have not happend at all.

 

[xX J Brutal Xx 10+ year member]

A couple weeks ago, my girlfriend and my son was with me in her car. We pulled into a parking lot and when we did, this crazy guy peeled out of control, screaming at someone on his cell phone and almost hit us. The only thing that kept him from hitting me was me blowing my horn to get his attention. He slammed on his brakes and got out and ran over screaming his crazy mind off about something, and opened my door. I pulled my .45 and asked him to lower his voice, cause my son and wife (oops I lied to him, oh well) were in the car. I told him not to move or he dies. My old lady called the police, and they came and picked him up. Turns out he was wanted in three state for attempted homicides. I am crippled as ****, so I probably couldn't have fought him off. I saved my family that day.

No you didn't. that is serious jail time for you. you cant just pull your gun on anyone. unless he is armed and your life is in danger and you have no escape. This kind of story might work with people that don't have there Conceal Carry permit.

 

[thevic24 5,000+ posts]

Man, those are some sexy guns bro. I really like that sniper rifle. What is that? Any chance you live in Texas so I can get my hands on some of those?

Thanks bro, but Iam in Ga at the moment.

This one

Is a Carl Gustov Swead with a custom make Kimber barrel chambered in .308.

This..

Is a Remington 700 in 300 Win mag.

And yes, that is a real suppressor...

 

[thevic24 5,000+ posts]

No you didn't. that is serious jail time for you. you cant just pull your gun on anyone. unless he is armed and your life is in danger and you have no escape. This kind of story might work with people that don't have there Conceal Carry permit.

In Fl and Ga, if some one is acting as described above and comes up to your car and forces open you door( or just opens up you door), you have the right to defend your self with force. Your car is considered the same as you home while you are in your car.

It is this way in a lot of states.

 

[xX J Brutal Xx 10+ year member]

most states someone can walk into your house and sit on the couch and you cant engage with deadly force unless your life is in imminent danger. You cant even detain them until police arrive that is also illegal.

 

[Louisiana_CRX 5,000+ posts]

my definition of control: able to hit your target. i carry a shotgun in my car, sometime s loaded or unloaded. am i scare of getting pulled over? no. if they dont ask about me having a gun, i wont tell. if they do see it, i just tell them i was going to the range(since i carry extra slugs and a ear piece and targets too.) but im not a probable cause to get pulled over, nor i brake any traffic laws to even get a route traffic stop. a simple busted head/tail light, or not making a turn signal when turning, or even making an illegal U-Turn can lead to an arrest from weapons possession or drug possession too if the person had it in their car.

That is why I am glad to live in the great old state of Texas. They passed a law about a year and a half ago stating you could carry a loaded hand gun in your vehicle to and from work/home WITHOUT a CHL. There are several loopholes in this law. Main one being how would they prove that you weren't going home if you were going to a friends house etc.... They made the law like such for such flexibility.
So I carry a .40 Glock in the center console of my truck. Now remember also, that if you have a CHL or if you live in Texas with this law, if you are impaired, drug or alcohol, and you have the gun with you, automatic felony. I think some people fail to forget that in Texas.

I feel keeping a hand gun in the truck and a 12 gauge shotgun in the house is needed, unless you live in a rural area, like my old town in Oklahoma of 1200 people where everyone knew everyone. But having a shotgun in your vehicle isn't very handy when in most instances when you need it, someone runs up to your window to jack you. Can't grab your shotgun out of truck very well and very quickly. Much easier to cock a hangun back alot easier too than a shotgun when sitting in a car/pickup

Thats why i usually carry a shotgun pistol with me //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Trancer 10+ year member]

In Fl and Ga, if some one is acting as described above and comes up to your car and forces open you door( or just opens up you door), you have the right to defend your self with force. Your car is considered the same as you home while you are in your car.It is this way in a lot of states.

This is the same thing for Texas now after the new law that they passed that I mentioned on page 1. Texas now considers your vehicle the exact same as your home, as you said. God Bless Texas x's 2

 

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Thanks bro, but Iam in Ga at the moment. This one

Is a Carl Gustov Swead with a custom make Kimber barrel chambered in .308.

This..

Is a Remington 700 in 300 Win mag.

And yes, that is a real suppressor...

Man, I am super jealous!

 

[thevic24 5,000+ posts]

most states someone can walk into your house and sit on the couch and you cant engage with deadly force unless your life is in imminent danger. You cant even detain them until police arrive that is also illegal.

The laws state "if you FEEL that your life is in danger"

If anyone forces their way into your home or car while you are in it, you CAN defend it.

Its called the "Castle Doctrine"

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDMQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cga.ct.gov%2F2007%2Frpt%2F2007-r-0052.htm&rct=j&q=castle%20doctrine&ei=DL0oTuHBGs-htwfwvfi7Cg&usg=AFQjCNHnFcNMJNOBN2cXvKCy6hl63_SCzA&cad=rja

Show me one state or any proof that says that anyone can just enter your home and do as they please where you cannot defend it.

Here is some more...

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What is the Castle Doctrine?

The Castle Doctrine is a self-defense provision that allows for the use of force, including deadly force, within one's home.

The Castle Doctrine has been adopted in full in some states, and in part in others, as a means of justifiable homicide. A local criminal defense attorney may best know if the Castle Doctrine applies in your case.

Castle Doctrine Explained

Based on the English Common Law provision that one's home is one's "castle", the Castle Doctrine is a popular yet controversial law that allows for a person whose home is under attack to use force upon the attacker.

As each state has its own Castle laws, there are a number of limitations and exclusions to the law. Generally speaking, though, the occupant:

• must believe that the intruder intends to do serious harm;
  
• must believe that the intruder intends to commit a felony;
  
• must not have provoked the intruder or threat of harm;
  
• may be protecting himself or any other within the residence; and
  
• may need to announce his presence and intention to retaliate.
  

In all cases, the occupant must legally be in the residence, and the intruder must be there illegally. Additionally, Castle laws may extend these rights to a workplace, car, or other residence where the occupant is legally.

In some states, the Castle Doctrine provides complete immunity, including from future civil suits brought forth by the intruder and/or the intruder's family.

Stand Your Ground vs. Duty to Retreat

States that have adopted the Castle Doctrine have done so in a number of ways. One of the most prevalent is the Stand Your Ground clause, which states that a homeowner who is under perceived threat of attack has no obligation to try to escape his or her attacker before resorting to deadly force.

On the opposite side is the Duty to Retreat, which states that force should be a last resort, and the homeowner must, within reason, try to escape his attacker before retaliating.

State Passage of the Castle Doctrine

Currently, there are a number of states which have passed laws in favor of some version of the Castle Doctrine, including:

• Alabama
  
• Alaska
  
• Arizona
  
• California
  
• Colorado
  
• Connecticut
  
• Florida
  
• Hawaii
  
• Kansas
  
• Louisiana
  
• Maine
  
• Maryland
  
• Massachusetts
  
• Michigan
  
• Mississippi
  
• Missouri
  
• Ohio
  
• Oregon
  
• New Jersey
  
• North Carolina
  
• Rhode Island
  
• Texas
  
• Utah
  
• West Virginia
  
• Wyoming
  

Additionally, some states have passed laws that encompass parts of the Castle Doctrine without explicitly calling them such. Some states have also passed a "weak" version of the Castle Doctrine that keeps the duty to retreat but still allows for the use of deadly force in a home invasion. Some of these states include: Idaho, Illinois, Minnesota, and New York. A local criminal defense attorney may be your best resource in determining if the Castle Doctrine may be a viable defense in your case.

To connect with a criminal defense attorney, simply call us toll-free at 877-445-1059 or fill out the no-obligation free case evaluation form on this page, to schedule your consultation.

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The above summary of the Castle Doctrine is by no means all-inclusive and is not legal advice. Laws may have changed since our last update. For the latest information on the Castle Doctrine, speak to a criminal defense attorney in your area.

 

[AlterEgo99 5,000+ posts]

that is the dumbest fvcking thing i have ever heard. Bad guys can always get illegal guns. Gun control just leaves the good guy defenseless. Im sorry but if every good guy carried a gun the bad guy would think twice before doing anything bad. do you think Columbine or Virginia Tech would have been half as bad if the teachers and professors were able to Conceal Carry and defend themselves???.......fvck no! chances are really good that they might have not happend at all.

^This...why I own 2 Sigs...P229 DAK and P226...and MANY courses at Sig Arms Academy.

 

[AlterEgo99 5,000+ posts]

No you didn't. that is serious jail time for you. you cant just pull your gun on anyone. unless he is armed and your life is in danger and you have no escape. This kind of story might work with people that don't have there Conceal Carry permit.

^This...one of the key items you would learn if you ever took a handgun course is not only how to use the gun, but that you NEVER pull a weapon on anyone unless you are ready to use it. If you can retreat or get out of the situation, THAT should always be your first choice.