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Which means that you are grounding on a return path through glued together body panels and spot welds and blended metals etc. The insight of some of these posts continues to astound me....... the assumed correct way vs the proper way. Acidburn is at least on the right page in the right book. How can one ever expect to be a little smarter if they are not willing to learn. I find out new things in this industry every day, even after 18 years in it, there is lots more to learn.