he deleted them at thread starter request //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif you probably missed the first 2 that were permanently deleted so they didnt leave a viewable. You should know by now Rza isnt like that he doesnt ban people for just disagreeing with him. He took alot of shit from Jalverson before he got banned I actually told him every day for like 2 weeks to ban his *** before he did after he scammed a friend of mine, but I totally agree with him banning someone that makes a name and starts shit from post 1. Its not like this guy ever posted anything before this and already showed he didnt care and was talk talk shit regardless of who it is to. Shit I would hit the ban hammer alot quicker than Rza does. Shit i see people get banned here for alot less.
This probably isn't the best forum for that comparison //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
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helotaxi
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Kilroy was Here
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And again you just don't get it. And again you proove my point. We are talking about design and fabrication which is all technique. As long as the technique in question results in a quality product it can't be wrong. I don't care how much experience or expertise a person has, experience and expertise do not validate a person's technique as the only right one at the exclusion of all others. To think otherwise is plain delusional. If you bother to read my first and second post (there were only 3 BTW), I fully never said that he was wrong or that his technique wan't probably better becuase I know that isn't my place and I can respect that he knows what he is talkng about, my point was simply that it wasn't his place to tell someone else that their way was "wrong" either. There is a very distinct difference between suggesting a different way to do something and passing on experience and just telling someone that their technique ofr doin something is wrong. If you don't understand that, then don't ever try to teach anyone how to do something that doesn't already have written procedures. There is a difference between technique and procedure. One can be right or wrong, the other cannot. Look into it.
If Rza had bothered to ask that I take it elsewhere or asked me to drop it, I can respect that. As it was, my posts were deleted without warning or explanation and no place marker was ever left with a reason for the deletion. He didn't even bother sending me a PM. Again, I can respect that the OP would like his thread cleaned up, but as it was I was left thinking that Rza was being petty and was abusing his powers because I disagreed with him. I still pretty much hold this opinion, BTW.
If you actually look at when I created my account, you would see that it was several days before all this took place and that I sent a PM to bluecorsica concerning a suggestion for improvement on his circle jig thread. I said I didn't have much fiberglassing experience, that doesn't mean I dont know my way around a shop. You have been around here long enough to know that I'm not a total noob and not prone to talking out of my *** or going out of my way to start shit. But at the same time, I'm not going to lay down and let some keyboard commando think he can walk all over me when he is basing his entire opinion of me on my post count, and when it was pretty clear that he was the one talking out of place and that specific experience had no bearing on the validity of my point. Go back and actually read what was written before you pontificate because you have the facts wrong. You will notice that I was in no way abusive to anyone nor did I start a fight. I simply disagreed with someone who apparently couldn't handle a simple difference of opinon in a mature way.
Megalomaniac
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Mr.SQ
well said
well said but a total fabrication of the truth, sad part is he probably really believes what he is saying. He never once said anything of your post count he merely asked what your fiberglassing background was as you had never posted before telling epicenter he was wrong. iirc Rza posted 4 valid points as to why epicenter's way was the way it should be done, but you had to go on about there is no wrong way to do it which is just not true. If specific reasons can be pointed out for why you use one technique over another and you cant counter with anything other that well he did it that way so its the right way then you have no valid arguement. It also appears looking at other posts that you are the only one that feels he was wrong for his post as even crazy4oz even said he will keep it in mind for his next project. Maybe it was you who should of read the entire thread ebfore posting as crazy4oz took it as a teaching expierience as it was originally ment to be.
So, someone is not allowed to have a difference of opinion simply because they've posted only a few times on that specific forum?
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helotaxi
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What am I supposed to imply from him saying that I'm new and asking for my credentials other than he only cares about post count rather than vlidity of an argument.
I agreed with every one of his points too, and stated such in the thread, but you dont care to pay attention to that. Having a list of points still doesn't make one way WRONG if it results in a quality product. If you can't see that then there is no hope for you ever doing anything creative because you will be stuck forever reproducing something already done by someone else. That is the entirety of my point. That after all this you still fail to understand that there are different ways to do things and no one is inherently right or wrong for everyone astounds me. That someone can get their panties in such a twist about what amounts to technique and someone merely pointing out "different strokes for different folks" doesn't leave me with much confidence in their maturity level.
I read the entire thread, both on that forum and on this one. That I saw his post the way I did is just a matter of perception of how he came across to me. Crazy didn't see it that way, fine. I can't know his intentions I was merely commenting on what he posted and the way it came across to me. That Rza saw that as an attack is pretty sad, since it would appear that epicenterdesigns didn't see it that way based on his lack of comment. If anyone came in looking for a fight, it was Rza and that kind of attitude makes for a very poor admin. He took a confrontational tone from the very beginning without even bothering to think about what I was saying. Much as you are doing. You are so into arguing that you haven't even tried to understand my point. Perhaps it is beyond you to understand the concept of technique and that any technique that gives the desired outcome is not wrong. Certain things may fall into the category of "best practice" but that still doesn't mean that there aren't other way to go about it. Show me a large group of people that go about a "creative" enterprise exactly the same way and I will show you a large group of poeple that are lacking in the creativity department. Fabricators are artists in a way. Every artist does hings differently. If they didn't it wouldn't be art. For one "artist," regardless of experience level, to state bluntly that "I do it differently and thus your way is wrong" is out of line, but in no way is pointing that simple fact out an attack on a person. Art is all technique. That two techniqes are different, doesn't mean that one of them is wrong. That Crazy said that he would consider the advice for his next project simply means that he is still evolving his technique. Any person who wants to do something well learns as many different ways to do something as possible and takes elements from each different method to incorporate into his own method. Any good craftsman knows this. Any professional knows this. Anyone who simply accepts the technique of another as the only correct to way to go about making something lacks any creative juices of their own. No innovation will ever come from these people. They may produce a technically solid product using the assimilated method, but it will lack anything in the way of originality. That you fall into this latter category and are a bit sensitive about it might explain a lot. There's no shame in falling into this category. I know that my musical tlent will never amount to anything, because even though I love music, I have no creative potential in that realm. I've accepted that. It's appears quite likely that you and Rza have limited creative potential when it comes to making things and you don't want to accept that. Like I said, it's nothing to be ashamed of and it's definitely nothing to get all defensive about. That you can't come up with a different way of going about something other than what you've been shown doesn't mean that those ways don't exist. It doesn't mean that something different that what you've seen work, won't work also. Neither is right or wrong, merely different.
if you want a fun time...........go to the glassman forum. personally i think your retarded on this issue. the OP wanted them removed, they were removed. you too it personal, got cockbent, and spoke shit, got banned.......thats how i take it. and thats the only way.......cuz im not wrong and this is the ONLY way it should be taken.
no but if your starting a debate perhaps he wans to know your credentials for that debate //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif he was banned because of his attack of the admin after the threads were deleted. not for disagreeing.
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helotaxi
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Kilroy was Here
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And oddly, you, just like Rza, still don't understand that my fiberglassing credentials have nothing to do with the debate. You don't have any clue what I was saying even though I have explained it to you several times much as I did with Rza, but you have decided that the only thing that matters is my credentials. You're stuck on that point because as I said I don't have a lot of glassing experience and you seem to interpret that to mean that I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to something that while set in the context of a fiberglass forum, has nothing to do with fiberglass. I guess if you refuse to open your mind and actually listen to what someone is trying to explain to you there is no chance of getting your narrow world view shattered and you will never have reason to question your dogged determination to cling to your preconceived notions and what you think you know...
and your stuck on the fact that you think your right and we are wrong //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif Your the one that is stuck in your narrow mindset. In that case he was right and you were wrong simple as that. get a life and move on. Im sure there are plenty of forums for you to torment.
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helotaxi
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Kilroy was Here
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Yet another thing that your limited maturity does not allow you to grasp. It should be quite obvious to you that I have better things to do that troll message forums trying to stir up trouble. Just because that kind of thing serves as entertainment for you, doesn't mean that those of us that have actually grown up don't take pride in being helpful and considerate forum members rather than trolls. Why in the holy hell would I come into a forum that I was hoping to glean some knowledge from with the express purpose of starting trouble? How can you make it through life when everything that differs from your opinion is an attack?
Here's an idea for you, if you are so confident in the fact that what I did constituted grounds for banning in a whole 3 posts, and you claim to have read the posts in question and still have access to them, post them here. If your gonna claim that I'm making stuff up, back it up.
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The Alpha Male
Cage fight.
3 10 minute rounds.
Weapons: Frozen rainbow trout
Rules: No trout sodomy.
3 10 minute rounds.
Weapons: Frozen rainbow trout
Rules: No trout sodomy.
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