First T3 TSS 18 ever ......

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I was under the impression that T3 OWNS the copyright to that "ti" basket?

Last I knew, Fi purchased/owns that basket design in all sizes except 18"

Everybody thinks they (Fi T3 Eclipse etc..) own the patent and the first MFG's still own part of it.
Why do you think the SMD moofer is taking so long to hit the market?

Fi wants it all to themselves and thats not going to happen. T3 will still make some of the best woofers on the planet with that basket. Not to mention TC will be bringing back their stuff.

If Fi doesn't own it, who does? Its been made public a while back that Fi bought the rights to all but the 18 (again iirc). If Fi purchased the patents, they should 'have it all to themselves' whether or not it upsets Eclipse, TC/AP or T3 fans. This would not limit other company's ability to purchased black market copies of the frames to use, but it would limit where they could sell them, legally.

 

[JL Audio 5,000+ posts]

I see more hatred for this thread in the future.

Now where is that dumpster for repairs...

 

[NDMstang65 10+ year member]

Everybody thinks they (Fi T3 Eclipse etc..) own the patent and the first MFG's still own part of it.
Why do you think the SMD moofer is taking so long to hit the market?

Fi wants it all to themselves and thats not going to happen. T3 will still make some of the best woofers on the planet with that basket. Not to mention TC will be bringing back their stuff.

This was brought to my attention, so i'll reply once, and only once. Merely because this is what it is and nothing short of the truth.

"Psalm 141:10: give him enough rope and he'll hang himself."

Fi owns the ornamental frame patent which is defined by this. "A US design patent covers the ornamental design for an object having practical utility. An object with a design that is substantially similar to the design claimed in a design patent cannot be made, used, copied or imported into the United States. The copy does not have to be exact for the patent to be infringed. It only has to be substantially similar. [1]."

Note that it does not say what size anything has to be, could make a 1.5" diameter 6 spoke frame that looks like that. Or a 54 feet in diameter frame that looks like that, and it is still all covered under the design patent, an appearance patent has NOTHING to do with physical size or dimensions, rather..appearance and only appearance. After that one could modify it but it only has to be considered "Substantially Similar", so even if it looks close it would still be considered infringing upon intellectual property.

Second of all you do not know anything about the SMD. Nothing. Nobody does outside of the few (two people) that are working on it. It has taken longer then we originally expected because we totally redid the suspension because all of the 10x4" spiders on the market are not up to par, along with adapter rings, and brand new motor technology that nobody has ever seen before.

Contrary to what you may think, hear, or say otherwise, Fi owns the patent and so long as anybody is doing business in the United States they will not be using it for another 6.5 years when the patent is then expired, unless they have our permission of course. Fi does think that Fi is going to keep that patented technology all to itself...because..guess what, it belongs to nobody else but Fi. (Little hint, the guy who previously owned the patent is not using the basket any longer...that might be a little clue to you, he has resorted to his 15" and 18" lightning storm baskets)

 

[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

This was brought to my attention, so i'll reply once, and only once. Merely because this is what it is and nothing short of the truth.
"Psalm 141:10: give him enough rope and he'll hang himself."

Fi owns the ornamental frame patent which is defined by this. "A US design patent covers the ornamental design for an object having practical utility. An object with a design that is substantially similar to the design claimed in a design patent cannot be made, used, copied or imported into the United States. The copy does not have to be exact for the patent to be infringed. It only has to be substantially similar. [1]."

Note that it does not say what size anything has to be, could make a 1.5" diameter 6 spoke frame that looks like that. Or a 54 feet in diameter frame that looks like that, and it is still all covered under the design patent, an appearance patent has NOTHING to do with physical size or dimensions, rather..appearance and only appearance. After that one could modify it but it only has to be considered "Substantially Similar", so even if it looks close it would still be considered infringing upon intellectual property.

Second of all you do not know anything about the SMD. Nothing. Nobody does outside of the few (two people) that are working on it. It has taken longer then we originally expected because we totally redid the suspension because all of the 10x4" spiders on the market are not up to par, along with adapter rings, and brand new motor technology that nobody has ever seen before.

Contrary to what you may think, hear, or say otherwise, Fi owns the patent and so long as anybody is doing business in the United States they will not be using it for another 6.5 years when the patent is then expired, unless they have our permission of course. Fi does think that Fi is going to keep that patented technology all to itself...because..guess what, it belongs to nobody else but Fi. (Little hint, the guy who previously owned the patent is not using the basket any longer...that might be a little clue to you, he has resorted to his 15" and 18" lightning storm baskets)

THIS...

 

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[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

This was brought to my attention, so i'll reply once, and only once. Merely because this is what it is and nothing short of the truth.
"Psalm 141:10: give him enough rope and he'll hang himself."

Fi owns the ornamental frame patent which is defined by this. "A US design patent covers the ornamental design for an object having practical utility. An object with a design that is substantially similar to the design claimed in a design patent cannot be made, used, copied or imported into the United States. The copy does not have to be exact for the patent to be infringed. It only has to be substantially similar. [1]."

Note that it does not say what size anything has to be, could make a 1.5" diameter 6 spoke frame that looks like that. Or a 54 feet in diameter frame that looks like that, and it is still all covered under the design patent, an appearance patent has NOTHING to do with physical size or dimensions, rather..appearance and only appearance. After that one could modify it but it only has to be considered "Substantially Similar", so even if it looks close it would still be considered infringing upon intellectual property.

Second of all you do not know anything about the SMD. Nothing. Nobody does outside of the few (two people) that are working on it. It has taken longer then we originally expected because we totally redid the suspension because all of the 10x4" spiders on the market are not up to par, along with adapter rings, and brand new motor technology that nobody has ever seen before.

Contrary to what you may think, hear, or say otherwise, Fi owns the patent and so long as anybody is doing business in the United States they will not be using it for another 6.5 years when the patent is then expired, unless they have our permission of course. Fi does think that Fi is going to keep that patented technology all to itself...because..guess what, it belongs to nobody else but Fi. (Little hint, the guy who previously owned the patent is not using the basket any longer...that might be a little clue to you, he has resorted to his 15" and 18" lightning storm baskets)

Pfffft, like you are some sort of authority on the subject. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[TnT_Sounds 10+ year member]

That means nothing to me. I know very well other companies use that same basket, so then they most be "copyright infringing" right?

Tell me this, how is Thilo and T3 going to get away with this? Oh thats right cuz they still own it. Just like that time on Termpro when you tried telling JD your "lawyers will be in contact with his lawyers" blah, blah blah.... T3 will still use that basket and so will TC. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

JD laughed in your face and the thread was deleted.

 

[TnT_Sounds 10+ year member]

This was brought to my attention, so i'll reply once, and only once. Merely because this is what it is and nothing short of the truth.
"Psalm 141:10: give him enough rope and he'll hang himself."

Fi owns the ornamental frame patent which is defined by this. "A US design patent covers the ornamental design for an object having practical utility. An object with a design that is substantially similar to the design claimed in a design patent cannot be made, used, copied or imported into the United States. The copy does not have to be exact for the patent to be infringed. It only has to be substantially similar. [1]."

Note that it does not say what size anything has to be, could make a 1.5" diameter 6 spoke frame that looks like that. Or a 54 feet in diameter frame that looks like that, and it is still all covered under the design patent, an appearance patent has NOTHING to do with physical size or dimensions, rather..appearance and only appearance. After that one could modify it but it only has to be considered "Substantially Similar", so even if it looks close it would still be considered infringing upon intellectual property.

Second of all you do not know anything about the SMD. Nothing. Nobody does outside of the few (two people) that are working on it. It has taken longer then we originally expected because we totally redid the suspension because all of the 10x4" spiders on the market are not up to par, along with adapter rings, and brand new motor technology that nobody has ever seen before.

Contrary to what you may think, hear, or say otherwise, Fi owns the patent and so long as anybody is doing business in the United States they will not be using it for another 6.5 years when the patent is then expired, unless they have our permission of course. Fi does think that Fi is going to keep that patented technology all to itself...because..guess what, it belongs to nobody else but Fi. (Little hint, the guy who previously owned the patent is not using the basket any longer...that might be a little clue to you, he has resorted to his 15" and 18" lightning storm baskets)

Like I said, the patent is not "yours" yet. Maybe in 6.5 years but until then it's not yours. I take it none of the spider setups will work because TC still owns that spider adapter correct?

Quit trying to act cool Nick, your whole quoting a bible passage is pathetic. I know plenty about the SMD woofer, I held it in my hands with Scott right there. Also RAB has seen it in person and we thought the same thing. I could point out many ways there would be issues with the spiders that which I told Scott.

Since it looks like some *****es ran to tell mommy somebody said something,I would like to see how this ends up with T3's rebuttle.

This is going to be full of win.

 

[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

That means nothing to me. I know very well other companies use that same basket, so then they most be "copyright infringing" right?
Tell me this, how is Thilo and T3 going to get away with this? Oh thats right cuz they still own it. Just like that time on Termpro when you tried telling JD your "lawyers will be in contact with his lawyers" blah, blah blah.... T3 will still use that basket and so will TC. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

JD laughed in your face and the thread was deleted.

http://www.parts-express.com/wizards/searchResults.cfm?searchFilter=AUDIOPULSE&srchExt=&perPage=9&sortBy=1&layout=grid&page=1&srchPrice=&srchCat=&srchMfg=419&srchPromo

Looks like Thilo is smart enough to avoid getting into a lawsuit. He's changed all of his baskets away from the 6 spoke appearance design that he once owned. There's his product lineup on parts express...

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[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

Like I said, the patent is not "yours" yet. Maybe in 6.5 years but until then it's not yours. I take it none of the spider setups will work because TC still owns that spider adapter correct?
Quit trying to act cool Nick, your whole quoting a bible passage is pathetic. I know plenty about the SMD woofer, I held it in my hands with Scott right there. Also RAB has seen it in person and we thought the same thing. I could point out many ways there would be issues with the spiders that which I told Scott.

Since it looks like some *****es ran to tell mommy somebody said something,I would like to see how this ends up with T3's rebuttle.

This is going to be full of win.

AFAIK Scott BOUGHT the patent when TEECEE went bankrupt. So, AFAIK, they OWN IT. NOW.

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[TnT_Sounds 10+ year member]

Audiopulse went under not TC... As far as I'm awar TC will be back up in a ouple months using the same basket with color options and it will be readily available like it was back then. I know plenty of people who still buy baskets, top assmblies and woofers from TC including myself.

What they had was a fire sale to get rid of Audioulse.

 

[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

Audiopulse went under not TC... As far as I'm awar TC will be back up in a ouple months using the same basket with color options and it will be readily available like it was back then. I know plenty of people who still buy baskets, top assmblies and woofers from TC including myself.
What they had was a fire sale to get rid of Audioulse.

AFAIK you have it exactly the opposite. I'd be more than willing to admit I'm wrong, but I haven't read anything...

I'll see if I can dig up the TC stuff later, headed out for the evening...

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[TnT_Sounds 10+ year member]

It's all still a bunch of "heresay and hog-wash" to people, so only best thing to do is wait a couple months when I get my T3 woofer and TC is back up. I dont see them stopping production any time soon. And from what I was told, they dont plan to.

 

[TnT_Sounds 10+ year member]

AFAIK you have it exactly the opposite. I'd be more than willing to admit I'm wrong, but I haven't read anything...
I'll see if I can dig up the TC stuff later, headed out for the evening...

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I would give you Kyle K's number but i dont like giving out that info. PM him and he will clarify it up for you. Hell even the secretary at TC will tell you this.

 

[NDMstang65 10+ year member]

Like I said, the patent is not "yours" yet. Maybe in 6.5 years but until then it's not yours. I take it none of the spider setups will work because TC still owns that spider adapter correct?
Quit trying to act cool Nick, your whole quoting a bible passage is pathetic. I know plenty about the SMD woofer, I held it in my hands with Scott right there. Also RAB has seen it in person and we thought the same thing. I could point out many ways there would be issues with the spiders that which I told Scott.

Since it looks like some *****es ran to tell mommy somebody said something,I would like to see how this ends up with T3's rebuttle.

This is going to be full of win.

1) Do you not understand the concept of purchasing a United States patent at the bankruptcy auction? The intellectual property (Ornamental appearance patent) is no longer property of anybody but Fi, it does not belong to Thilo any longer. It was originally designed and patented by Thilo for Eclipse, but after the QC issues they left TC sounds for an oriental build house. Thilo, still had the intellectual property (Known as an ornamental appearance patent) cornering the United States market. Which a patent is worthless, if you do not enforce it. Which is why you see so many people using it now..because it was not enforced, as it takes money to enforce it. Again this is for a 6 spoke appearance, they can use the 4 spoke (Which is the 10" and 12" appearance) all day every day as Thilo still owns that patent and could care less about it.

2) TC doesn't own the spider adapter, because we tooled one of our own. The spiders that are available on the market will not do what we want to do, so we tooled those as well...which is really funny how you have "seen" everything because what you think you may have seen..really is not what it is.

3) You held the original prototype in your hand, that was nearly a year ago. It is sitting in the corner of the office where it has been for months. You have not seen, held, smelled, touched, or licked the real SMD, much less the new motor technology that we have developed.

As I said, you know..nothing.

Edit:

Here's a link.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1017260

Read.

 

[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

Just a few I found real quick...

http://www.audiojunkies.com/blog/1244/tc-sounds-patents-up-for-auction

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=972522

Used to have a page I viewed here auctioning TONS of ferrite, parts, magnetizer, etc, etc, etc...

http://www.bankruptcysales.com/view_assets4.cfm?ID=7023

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