fatmat or edead 45?

[Farmacist 10+ year member]

sooo what if its roofing material, i mean hell people put cement in their cars and thats a BUILDING material ... doesn't matter

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Dam dood, your fingers hurt?

I know there's a joke about your mom in there somewhere.

If you have this much experience with different mat types and brands, and you experience so little difference to warrant you acknowledging a performance difference between asphalt and rubber, why do you have 40 sq fet of the more expensive butyl mat in your ride?

If you have this much experience, there's no doubt you know that their is simply a manufacturing cost difference that makes the butyl mats more expensive (not simpy more profits for greedy distributors). And with your experience that has taught you the asphalt mat performs as well as the butyl, or well enough to warrant using it over butyl for the price difference, why do you suppose the industry in general is moving towards the more expensive to make but less bang-for-your-buck performance of the butyl rubber? Why would they make this decision when they could simply continue to sell the cheaper asphalt mat that, according to your experience, works well enough to chose over butyl anyway? Even eD, the dumpster-behind-Dennys of sound deadener suppliers, knows enough to steer away from asphalt... what's your problem? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

It did a pretty good job about sticking in most spots, not all as some peeled off under its own weight.
However in multiple spots in different locations the mylar peeled off the "butyl" mixture. I even took some pictures when it happened and sent them to ED asking for a replacement product, and was told I must have installed it incorrectly.

Thanks for the info. I fail to see how improper installation, under reasonable circumstances, could cause the product to seperate from itself. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wow.gif.23d729408e9177caa2a0ed6a2ba6588e.gif

sooo what if its roofing material, i mean hell people put cement in their cars and thats a BUILDING material ... doesn't matter

More than one problem. roofing materials are designed for a different intention. This means they will likely not act as predicted in a different environment... your car. Different heat ranges mean it could melt if too hot or the mat'l is too soft to begin with, or too hard and brittle which ruins ANY chance of a visceolastic process occurring. It also could mean the product is designed with safety precautions that may or may not fit the altered application. Will it be toxic? Will it at least smell? Can your dog safely eat it? Okay, not so much on that last one. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif But you get the idea.

I have used concrete in more than one of my vehicles. The possible drwbacks of roofing materials and concrete are not the same.

Cheers.

 

[James Bang 5,000+ posts]

Lier, we always were friends! You used to look out for me like I was your dog that ran away from home for a minute and then you found me. You would yell and be pissed for awhile, but you got over it. Samething will happen and you know it! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

No. never. Being against icetee doesn't mean I was on YOUR side. now stfu about it. thx //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

And I can hear a major difference in sound overall. Tighter bass response, less flex, and overall just sounds better.

After seeing your build, i've concluded that you don't wtf "sounds better" or 'sounds good' mean:

You subjectively liking how that sounds will not justify how stupid that location is for tweets. Deadener will not fix that either. sorry.
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[DonH 5,000+ posts]

No. never. Being against icetee doesn't mean I was on YOUR side. now stfu about it. thx //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

After seeing your build, i've concluded that you don't wtf "sounds better" or 'sounds good' mean:

You subjectively liking how that sounds will not justify how stupid that location is for tweets. Deadener will not fix that either. sorry.

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[Fiercetimbo17 10+ year member]

Yes and installation was not the issue, I did actually take the time to clean everything and even used a heat gun.

My secondskin even Raammat i just threw on there and it has yet to fail.

Also I used at least 3 layers of mat to get the same results as the dynamat I had installed at the time.

 

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

No. never. Being against icetee doesn't mean I was on YOUR side. now stfu about it. thx //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

After seeing your build, i've concluded that you don't wtf "sounds better" or 'sounds good' mean:

You subjectively liking how that sounds will not justify how stupid that location is for tweets. Deadener will not fix that either. sorry.

Lawl! Figures your immature *** would bring it in here. I guess you need someone to back you up since you got your *** handed to you in my build log thread. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[Rudy 10+ year member]

And Im assuming you cleaned the surface properly before hand? How did it fail exactly, if you dont mind giving a few details?
Id really like to understand the seeming inconistancy in eD's mats. NA_RSX's was fine, many other's haven't been so lucky. Even with eD's apprently appalling quality control, you'd think their supplier would be more consistent. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif This stuff isn't hand made. Odd.

I tested it when it first came out and the adhesion of the v1SE² was fine but the v1² was poor. A year or so later, people started complaining about the v1DE² falling off (there were immediate complaints about the v1²) and a few sent me pieces. The adhesion was as bad on the v1SE² as it had been on the v1². The problem was that the Mylar had such a strong intrinsic curl that any weakening of the adhesive bond allowed the Mylar's curl to peel the stuff away from the substrate. The stuff was practically engineered to fail, if it had been engineered, which - oh well.

 

[James Bang 5,000+ posts]

Lawl! Figures your immature *** would bring it in here. I guess you need someone to back you up since you got your *** handed to you in my build log thread. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

I brought that in here to show how you don't have any merit to argue anything car audio. With your experience you speak of you still place passive xovers INSIDE the door. Not to mention you're using those passives WITH a 3way xover in the same setup. The reason for that might be that you're running rear-rill, which would just again show how shitty your setup is. Therefore, you shouldn't really post in this thread trying to debate with people that know what they're doing.

and there you go making stuff up again. My was not handed to me in no way. No need for back up. I gave up on you in your build log, which I should've never even bothered with your hopelessness. It is cool that you have little e-friends in that thread to blow air up your *** and tell you your install "look's good." Try finding real friends that will tell you the truth. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[Rudy 10+ year member]

I have used peel and seel and sorry, but not the same stuff. I told you this before, is not as thick, was harder to install and........just not the same. I don't care what you tell me.

With that said, many people have had good luck with peel and seel and my good friend still has it in his car with no complaints.

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At this point I just don't believe you at all. You claim to have used a wide range of products but claim not to be able to distinguish performance differences between FatMat and Damplifier. You are the only person I've ever encountered with that experience.

How was Peel & Seal harder to install? The adhesive is exactly the same. The owner of FatMat could not tell me how it was different from P&S. Since he is an authorized MFM distributor and sells P&S through his roofing supply business you'd think he's be able to come up with at least one difference. The adhesive is exactly the same. Your statement is just false and has to be motivated by something beyond just sharing your experience. Can we assume that you have some relationship with FatMat beyond just being a satisfied customer with really poor powers of observation?

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

There has to be at least 5 other threads in General just like this. People, in the know, trying to teach people like bigbangknucklehead the in's and out's of proper structural damping, the merit of using CLD mat, etc. I cannot believe Don and Audioholic still have the patience to do help the unhelpable! I'm more amazed at this than bigbang's thick-headedness. ****.....

BTW, I'm coming out with my own "e-deadener" this summer and it costs less than $1 per sqft and damps like a mother*****. If you PP me $40...right now...for a limited time trial offer...I'll tell you my secret recipe. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

sooo what if its roofing material, i mean hell people put cement in their cars and thats a BUILDING material ... doesn't matter

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif If I'm ever in an accident and I need some serious body work, I'm just going to tell the guys in the shop to just re-side my car with seamless vinyl siding...maybe spruce it up with leaf-less gutters a lil.

 

[Rudy 10+ year member]

sooo what if its roofing material, i mean hell people put cement in their cars and thats a BUILDING material ... doesn't matter

It wouldn't matter at all if it worked for this purpose. As much as we may wish for dirt cheap functional equivalent, those of us who have searched have realized there is no such thing. The dirty little secret is that a little bit of high quality vibration damper goes a long way. Once you realize that 10% as much of the right stuff will do the job better than layers and layers of roofing materials, the economics being promoted by the advocates of the "cheaper" material go out the window.

A very few people put concrete in their cars because it does one specific thing reasonably well. In some circles saying: "I put concrete in my car" gets you status. In any case, that is a niche application for a niche market. Vibration damping has gone mainstream.

 

[na_rsx 10+ year member]

i dont like the new layout of the forum //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

edead still pwnts bishes

 

[Rudy 10+ year member]

i dont like the new layout of the forum //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif
edead still pwnts bishes

So you're standing behind a product you've never seen or used. I'm sure people will give your recommendation the weight it deserves.