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[Suicide Bobb 5,000+ posts]

What am I going to do? Everyone is in here saying the world is free. Either I call them a liar (which who knows? Nobody is actually proving anything) or I just continue down the logical path. No matter what happens, what you said can't logically be true and it's so easy to point out.Maybe for you... but not for "everyone".

How exactly would you know that? You made the claim. Back it up.

By "the world", I assume you mean samples of sound deadener. Do I need to send you screen shots of the emails and pics of the free samples he sent me? The only thing I had invested into that free sample was the time it took to type the emails.

 

[ahole-ic]

By "the world", I assume you mean samples of sound deadener. Do I need to send you screen shots of the emails and pics of the free samples he sent me? The only thing I had invested into that free sample was the time it took to type the emails.

Please try to pay attention. ahole-ic made the claim that anyone could do what don did... which was get samples from all the big names and review them. In don's testing he tells you that it cost him a lot of money and a lot of time. This indicates that it was not free to him... obviously. That's great if don gives you free samples, but it is TOTALLY irrelevant to the discussion.

 

[slim2fattycake 10+ year member]

Gosh, talk about splitting hairs. I'm done with this troll.

 

[Suicide Bobb 5,000+ posts]

Please try to pay attention. ahole-ic made the claim that anyone could do what don did... which was get samples from all the big names and review them. In don's testing he tells you that it cost him a lot of money and a lot of time. This indicates that it was not free to him... obviously. That's great if don gives you free samples, but it is TOTALLY irrelevant to the discussion.

Oh ok, my bad. I thought you were saying that nobody gives out free samples lol.

A couple of them asked if I could pay the shipping for it, so it wouldn't be free, but not expensive either.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

What am I going to do? Everyone is in here saying the world is free. Either I call them a liar (which who knows? Nobody is actually proving anything) or I just continue down the logical path. No matter what happens, what you said can't logically be true and it's so easy to point out.Maybe for you... but not for "everyone".

How exactly would you know that? You made the claim. Back it up.

No you made the claim that anyone could do it. I merely stated that you were wrong... and clearly I'm right. NOT anyone has the knowledge or money to do it.

This isn't about me. Why does me having time or not having time have ANYTHING to do with this? You are REALLY grasping at straws. YOU have zero proof. Don is one of the only people to have ever done this. He even claims on his site it cost him a lot of money. What makes you think it wouldn't cost anyone else a bunch of money? YOU have nothing to base your claims on... which is why I'm pointing it out and why you're so aggressively trying to defend yourself. You know you look foolish to anyone who is not a nuthugger.

How about not having a bunch of vehicles? How about not having anything to prove that the material does not resonate at road noise frequencies etc? There is a lot more to it than what you're saying. Sure it may stay sticky in alcohol... but does it have enough mass to actually change the resonant freq of the panels enough so that they render the desired result? ahole-ic... you love to argue as do I, but I honestly cannot believe you have taken the shaky stances you have today. I honestly hope you're just doing this for fun instead of really believing the bs you're spitting.

Now having the knowledge to recreate the tests would be a problem? You mean the elementary school science class level tests, like dipping them in mineral spirits, or hanging a weight from them, that Don explained in detail that a 3rd grader could understand? Whose really the one grasping at straws here?

As for the money, you're dodging the fact that the test costs, besides the mat itself, is a known. Piece of scrap metal out of your garage, a piece of string, a small can of mineral spirits, a bowl your mom's oven, a watch.

As for why this is about YOU, Im sorry, but... duh? Its about YOU because YOU are the one claiming his results are "questionable" and YOU are the one suggesting he falsified the test results for his own personal profit. Did I really need to explain why its about you? Really?

How about not having a bunch of vehicles? How about not having anything to prove that the material does not resonate at road noise frequencies etc? There is a lot more to it than what you're saying. Sure it may stay sticky in alcohol... but does it have enough mass to actually change the resonant freq of the panels enough so that they render the desired result?

Lets stay focused ecrack. The discussion is about SDS's tests, not some new tests you are making up that involve vehicles and road noise frequencies. Once you are caught not making sense, do you ever give up, or do you just keep perpetuating it like this forever?

 

[ahole-ic]

Gosh, talk about splitting hairs. I'm done with this troll.

Well really... what were you hoping to accomplish? I have a valid point and solid logic. Nobody else does. They are just hugging the nuts with nothing to back them up at all. No logic... nothing. Get mad if you want but at least take a step back and realize you're not unbiased.

 

[ahole-ic]

Now having the knowledge to recreate the tests would be a problem? You mean the elementary school science class level tests, like dipping them in mineral spirits, or hanging a weight from them, that Don explained in detail that a 3rd grader could understand? Whose really the one grasping at straws here?

I explained what I meant. You plainly overlooked it... because it defeats you.

As for the money, you're dodging the fact that the test costs, besides the mat itself, is a known. Piece of scrap metal out of your garage, a piece of string, a small can of mineral spirits, a bowl your mom's oven, a watch.

You're overlooking what don said on his own site. Are you calling him a liar? Did it not cost him a lot of money?

As for why this is about YOU, Im sorry, but... duh? Its about YOU because YOU are the one claiming his results are "questionable" and YOU are the one suggesting he falsified the test results for his own personal profit. Did I really need to explain why its about you? Really?

Yes because you have no point. You said "ANYONE"... now it's "ecrack.net". Quite a difference there pal.

Lets stay focused ecrack. The discussion is about SDS's tests, not some new tests you are making up that involve vehicles and road noise frequencies. Once you are caught not making sense, do you ever give up, or do you just keep perpetuating it like this forever?

Oh it makes lots of sense. That's what the deadener is for. It's not a piece of tape and all we care about is how well it sticks. It has a specific purpose. The fact that you cannot comprehend this shows your lack of intellect.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

As for the question of the price of samples of deadener for the tests, again whatever free samples he could not get from the manufacturers, could have probably been gotten via the forum. Im confident a few people could have been located willing to send a few dollars worth of their mat to see a verification test take place. But that point is moot, because ecrack never even tried. He just decided it was roo expensive, too hard, too much work, so might as well go suggest its fake instead.

 

[ahole-ic]

As for the question of the price of samples of deadener for the tests, again whatever free samples he could not get from the manufacturers, could have probably been gotten via the forum. Im confident a few people could have been located willing to send a few dollars worth of their mat to see a verification test take place. But that point is moot, because ecrack never even tried. He just decided it was roo expensive, too hard, too much work, so might as well go suggest its fake instead.

Again, you made the claim so prove it.

 

[Suicide Bobb 5,000+ posts]

Lots of e-Peen flingin'

 

[denim 5,000+ posts]

Don never went into testing the products for those years with an evil plan that he was going to start his own business after years of telling people the test results then build a product to those results. For years he helped Ant a great deal. The tests cost him money because of the amount of time over the years and the cost of the site etc etc. The argument is really starting to get insane.

 

In reality, Don did it the way it should have been done. Years of research and testing on his own, that way he knew the industry and the products inside and out well before he released his own. People are jumping into the sound deadening industry with out having a clue about the products or materials as explained in the thread linked earlier in this topic.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I explained what I meant. You plainly overlooked it... because it defeats you.
You're overlooking what don said on his own site. Are you calling him a liar? Did it not cost him a lot of money?

Yes because you have no point. You said "ANYONE"... now it's "ecrack.net". Quite a difference there pal.

Oh it makes lots of sense. That's what the deadener is for. It's not a piece of tape and all we care about is how well it sticks. It has a specific purpose. The fact that you cannot comprehend this shows your lack of intellect.

Yes, you explained what you meant. You explained that while you dont deny its cheap to recreate the tests, there are surely *some* people out there who couldnt afford even that cost, so you win or something. Good for you. lol

I have no idea why Don said it was expensive. Maybe he was factoring in his time (which would have taken alot longer to do the first time than it would to simply mimic it). Maybe he was factoring in the cost of setting up the website devoted to it. Maybe he bought the deadener outright and got *****. Who knows? Who cares? You think he used special million dollar mineral spirits? Maybe the scrap metal he used as a weight was solid platinum? Maybe you are scared to address the fact that we know the cost of the testing minus the deadener itself. Maybe you just like to hear yourself argue. All of these are real possibilities.

"Anyone", you specifically since, after all, you are the person here suggesting the tests are false... either means the same thing: you didn't do it when you could have, but you still seem to think you have a right to question it.

You think its questionable, put your money where your mouth is. Ive got 2 or 3 brands of mat laying around here I'll gladly mail you. What are you willing to do? Anything besides sit behind your computer and make hollow accusations?

Uh, no, it makes no sense because no matter correct you may be about deadener test in-vehicle being more accurate, none of Don's testing involved it in any way shape or form, so you trying to trump up your claim of the tests being difficult to reproduce is simply a figment of your imagination.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Again, you made the claim so prove it.

Ah the old switcheroo, nice. lol You must think you're pretty slick if you can pull off claiming his tests are too expensive for most people to reproduce, and then twisting it into getting someone else to prove you right or wrong.

My claim, is that your claim is bogus.

 

[Slayerx 10+ year member]

this thread=tl;dr

but, I've used SDS products from Don, and was quite impressed. And I feel it's actually quite reasonably priced. 25% coverage is about right, after doing it I kinda wanted to laugh cause the results were unbelievable. You just need the right product for the right results. Which Don covers pretty well on his website.

 

[Rudy 10+ year member]

Right... listen guy saying open cell foam on accident doesn't discredit it no matter how bad you want it to.

This is what you said:

They have some good information I suppose... but I'm skeptical of their open cell and closed cell foams. I've seen many people try them... none with good results.

No substantiation - just the implausible claim that people are reporting problems with my products to you and not me.

Yeah let's just forget about the deadener.... lol

Wasn't smart? To do a fair test on each it had to have taken a lot of time right? You're right... you coming in here and talking like this WASN'T very smart.

What is really going on is I see through you. Umadbrah?

Honestly? There are only two conclusions that can be drawn from your posts: either you know nothing and don't consider that reason enough to bite your tongue or have an agenda. The fact that you alternate between making false statements about me and endorsing Audio Technica, it looks like the latter. That certainly doesn't preclude both from being true at the same time which seems more likely at this point. Have you used Audio Tecnica's product? Have you seen it? It may be perfectly fine. I have no idea. It doesn't sound like you do either.

Really? I'd bet he wouldn't send me anything. A stand up guy would even when challenged. Oh well. You are all hugging nuts like crazy. You can lie and say everyone will just give you a sample of their product if you want. We all know if everyone gave samples we'd all just have a checkerboard of free samples deadening our entire cars. But you can all stay in fantasy land and hug dons nuts all day long.

Why not, there's no coherency test before I send samples.