Fatmat good?

Seriously, it seems e-crack is just trying to be augmentative and a troll. "umadbrah" comment? Really?
He hasn't been able to back up anything he has said in this thread besides WRONG info.
I'm not going to pick a fight with e-crack, because he is much smarter than I am when it comes to deadening. All I'm saying is that I stand by Don's products because of his outstanding customer service. His product is great, too.

 
Really? I'd bet he wouldn't send me anything. A stand up guy would even when challenged. Oh well. You are all hugging nuts like crazy. You can lie and say everyone will just give you a sample of their product if you want. We all know if everyone gave samples we'd all just have a checkerboard of free samples deadening our entire cars. But you can all stay in fantasy land and hug dons nuts all day long.

 
Seriously, it seems e-crack is just trying to be augmentative and a troll. "umadbrah" comment? Really?
He hasn't been able to back up anything he has said in this thread besides WRONG info.
What is there to back up? WHat is "wrong"? For something to be wrong it must be proved wrong... not just deemed wrong. Nice try though.

 
So you're saying that no one is going to offer samples? How much does a sample cost? If you really wanted to do the tests Don did, its not going to bankrupt you or even dent your piggy bank unless, like said earlier, you are a hobo.
Where did I say that? I said not EVERYONE is going to offer free samples.... and they'd all have to for "anyone" to be able to afford it... like ahole-ic claimed.

 
I guess shrugging the previous posts will keep you in the right. You're right, "brah".

O and I remember someone getting Don's samples and some other companies' as well and then now they just started a company called audio technix? Shit, must be hard to get samples.

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You talk about hanging from nuts, what about you? Have you used audio technix's deadener or SDS's deadener? Or are you just going by what audio technix tells you their product is? Hell, if that's the case, why not get some xplods equipment cus their specs look great.

Why are you being so dense? I cannot this is coming from you. I have read your posts over the course of the time you have been on this site and this is really the first time that this doesn't sound like you at all.

 
I don't think so... or someone would have. Just affording the mat itself is a huge problem.
You tried to make them seem so easy... and they are just not. Everyone knows this or they would just call around and get a bunch of free deadener. It's not that darn easy and you know it. Logic is not on your side.

I'm just showing you that what you said "anyone could do it" isn't true. Lol. Your memory must be HORRIBLE.
Now your excuses are really wearing thin. The test material costs are negligible. The mat? Did you ever start a thread and say "hey guys, I want to spend a saturday afternoon trying some of SDS's test, can some people send me a small piece or 2 of brands X, Y, and Z?" No, you never did. All you have done is claim his tests are questionable with no evidence or even logic to back up your accusation, and that the tests could be recreated by "almost nobody".

Not having the time is just a stupid excuse on your part. If you are too lazy to do the tests, you dont have much right to claim they are questionable when YOU have zero proof, or even a theory, as to how the results were falsified.

As for having the 'physical means' to, I will concede it's true that quadriplegics, people with no access to an oven, or that cant lift 5lb weights would be physically incapable of performing the tests necessary to complete those tests. The rest of us, given a little bit of determination, a little bit of money, and a little bit of time, could have performed those tests. You could have performed those tests. To continue to deny this is to show everyone reading this that you are being disingenuous.

 
I guess shrugging the previous posts will keep you in the right.
What in the previous posts? There is nothing of substance... just a bunch of nuthuggery. If someone posted something of substance this would be totally different. I used sound logic to show that don has a business model that not a single one of you would trust if you thought about it logically. Instead you're so far around his sack you think you have proved someone wrong just by saying "nuh uh".

You're right, "brah".
obviously brah.
O and I remember someone getting Don's samples and some other companies' as well and then now they just started a company called audio technix? Shit, must be hard to get samples.
Did he really? or did he pay for some? Do you know?

did they pay for anything or were they 100% samples?

You talk about hanging from nuts, what about you? Have you used audio technix's deadener or SDS's deadener? Or are you just going by what audio technix tells you their product is? Hell, if that's the case, why not get some xplods equipment cus their specs look great.
It doesn't matter what I say here. You will accuse me. I am not an audio technix nut hugger of any sort. I merely heard about the product. The price was low. The material looks more than adequate as compared to others. That's all I was going by. I was just trying to help someone out and then the nuthuggers came in and circled the wagons around dons nuts.

Why are you being so dense? I cannot this is coming from you. I have read your posts over the course of the time you have been on this site and this is really the first time that this doesn't sound like you at all.
I call them like I see them. Sometimes it makes people mad. I can't help it. I'm not going to just be quiet because people don't like to hear good logic. I know you all like don. He may be a great guy. You should keep thinking that if you're happy. I simply don't trust him. I don't like his style. I don't like his products or anything about him. Why is it that you have such a problem with me feeling that way?

 
E-Crack, for the 50th time...I emailed like 5 companies, maybe 2 or 3 responded, and Don was the only one to follow through and send me decent sized samples of each and every one of his products, and he paid for the shipping. That's about as free of a sample as it gets.

 
Now your excuses are really wearing thin.
What am I going to do? Everyone is in here saying the world is free. Either I call them a liar (which who knows? Nobody is actually proving anything) or I just continue down the logical path. No matter what happens, what you said can't logically be true and it's so easy to point out.

The test material costs are negligible.
Maybe for you... but not for "everyone".
The mat? Did you ever start a thread and say "hey guys, I want to spend a saturday afternoon trying some of SDS's test, can some people send me a small piece or 2 of brands X, Y, and Z?" No, you never did.
How exactly would you know that? You made the claim. Back it up.

All you have done is claim his tests are questionable with no evidence or even logic to back up your accusation, and that the tests could be recreated by "almost nobody".
No you made the claim that anyone could do it. I merely stated that you were wrong... and clearly I'm right. NOT anyone has the knowledge or money to do it.

Not having the time is just a stupid excuse on your part. If you are too lazy to do the tests, you dont have much right to claim they are questionable when YOU have zero proof, or even a theory, as to how the results were falsified.
This isn't about me. Why does me having time or not having time have ANYTHING to do with this? You are REALLY grasping at straws. YOU have zero proof. Don is one of the only people to have ever done this. He even claims on his site it cost him a lot of money. What makes you think it wouldn't cost anyone else a bunch of money? YOU have nothing to base your claims on... which is why I'm pointing it out and why you're so aggressively trying to defend yourself. You know you look foolish to anyone who is not a nuthugger.

As for having the 'physical means' to, I will concede it's true that quadriplegics, people with no access to an oven, or that cant lift 5lb weights would be physically incapable of performing the tests necessary to complete those tests. The rest of us, given a little bit of determination, a little bit of money, and a little bit of time, could have performed those tests. You could have performed those tests. To continue to deny this is to show everyone reading this that you are being disingenuous.
How about not having a bunch of vehicles? How about not having anything to prove that the material does not resonate at road noise frequencies etc? There is a lot more to it than what you're saying. Sure it may stay sticky in alcohol... but does it have enough mass to actually change the resonant freq of the panels enough so that they render the desired result? ahole-ic... you love to argue as do I, but I honestly cannot believe you have taken the shaky stances you have today. I honestly hope you're just doing this for fun instead of really believing the bs you're spitting.

 
I simply don't trust him. I don't like his style. I don't like his products or anything about him. Why is it that you have such a problem with me feeling that way?
I can field that one. Because you are out here, making unsubstantiated claims about Don, his tests, his business ethics, all based on a gut feeling that you 'dont like anything about him'. Get back to us when you have any facts, evidence, or even a coherent theory.

 
I can field that one. Because you are out here, making unsubstantiated claims about Don, his tests, his business ethics, all based on a gut feeling that you 'dont like anything about him'. Get back to us when you have any facts, evidence, or even a coherent theory.
I provided logic that you cannot refute. Lol. That's why you're acting like this.

 
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