fastest uve driven?

[rswroughneck 10+ year member]

well

i've had a few vehicles goin decent speeds

1957 chevy stepside up to about 130 not stock of course

yamaha road star warrior about 130 every day dang rev. limiter

and a friends race only gsxr 600 up around 167

but top speed is easy its the corners that are fun

 

[Bavarian3 10+ year member]

Erm..capone, THIS i disagree..
Josh had a very good point. 4 pots strain like crazy to make those numbers. Turbo's require new pistons, new this, new that, a lot of work, and these things can also mean lots of $$$. a V8 has much more grunt and brute force bone stock. No replacement for displacement. And I like turbochargers.

4 pots, the jap engines you mentioned, are made for racing, to have quick response and just enough torque to utilise the car's chassis. Over modding a car isn't wise.

what do u mean they strain?? whats straining? if these cars are coming from the factory boosted, they are not gona be straining from the boost. Look at the DSM 4g63's. These things are bullet proof, and they make ridiculous amounts of power from simple Bolt ons. Besides goin in a straight line AWD launches like no other and handles awesome.

 

[josh99ta 10+ year member]

what do u mean they strain?? whats straining? if these cars are coming from the factory boosted, they are not gona be straining from the boost. Look at the DSM 4g63's. These things are bullet proof, and they make ridiculous amounts of power from simple Bolt ons. Besides goin in a straight line AWD launches like no other and handles awesome.

Sir, please refrain from addressing me anymore in this thread unless you decide to start talking sense and stop talking out of your ***. I dont even know enough to scratch the surface in the performance world, but I do know what I know, and I know when to keep my mouth shut. You'd be wise to learn from that. Onto the lesson son...

1. You can turbo anything, not just a four banger. There are turbo LS1s out there running under one bar of boost just like you could do on an import, and they are full weight machines (3900 lbs LS1Motorsports car comes to mind) running 9.89 at 144 MPH. Dang V8, dumbestic outdated technology. I guess that sucks huh?

2. Secondly, do you even know WTF you're talking about with DSMs? I know enough to get by on them, and obviously you've never heard of the MASSIVE crankwalk issues they've had once you start putting the boost on. You seriously need to read up on that before you go praising the DSM. Dont get me wrong, I want a Talon TSi just to have fun in, awesome cars, but they are far from flawless. About the only "bulletproof" engine out there is a Supra engine and maybe a few others, they are just set up for boost from the factory, but very VERY few.

3. Gas gussling, tell it to the M6 heads and cam LS1 guys who are still turning in OVER 30 MPG on the interstate. Talked to any of them lately? Really? Didn't think so. I know and am friends with guys like this, who have a substantial amount of mods into their V8 and still turn in great MPG at the pump. It's all in the tuning buddy, as is mostly the case. My automatic V8 is only getting 1 MPG worse than my best friend's 5 speed Integra GSR (with your beloved B18C1 in there). Want to explain that to me? Again, go back to my previous post and see where I'm talking about volumetric efficiency. Any NA motor, four banger, six, or V8, you're only going to achieve about 85% at best. But you throw forced induction in the mix and there you go, there is your efficiency. It has nothing to do with HP per Litre.

FYI I used to be heavy into the import scene before all the Fast & Furious hype started up and it became the "thing" to do. I know a little about that stuff too, you aren't going to pull any wool over my eyes. For anything that you can say, "give me turbo" or "give me nitrous" you can say the same thing for a V8. Want to talk MPG, I can to. Want to pull out some more stuff like "y0 dawg, my m4d tight H0nDa woulD poWn your V8 In the tWisTIes." Game over. Thanks for playing. Come back any time, as long as you bring a real arguement with you, not some stupid engine code that people on the internet told you was awesome.

/end rant

Also, on the handling thing, I did say lighter is better, but there are always exceptions to the rule, always. Best case I can think of is BMW M5. Amazing car, front engine V8. Just like a four banger having to have much more engineering to achieve what a properly designed V8 can with equal mods, so can a heavier car achieve what a lighter car can, but it's going to take alot more work. Kinda funny how those things work back to back. But another thing to note are the modern day V8s are grossly biased to the front in weight distribution, most of the time you'll see maybe 55/45 weight distribution biased at MOST in a properly setup car. But alas, the smaller cars take less power to get moving and are better handling in most cases, and in most cases are superior. Also keep in mind though that the car is also only as good as the driver. But in general, I agree with you paikiah. You got your stuff straight buddy //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif Keep up the good work.

 

[Bavarian3 10+ year member]

dude, no shit u can turbo anything.

Im talking about STOCK turbo cars. not aftermarket. So a bunch of the stuff u said in that post was pointless. About the DSM's the 4g63 has been around for like 15 years now. I have a couple friends with modded GSX's.

I forget where this argument even started. But if ur saying camaros and rustangs get good MPG ur trippin. Thats kool if u have friends who modded their cars to get better MPG.

 

[dbhittin 5,000+ posts]

About the only "bulletproof" engine out there is a Supra engine

a CA18DET is a stronger motor than that. U need to do more research. O and handling? think ur poormans corvette can hang on the track with the little 4 banger silvias? guess agin. Nope, thats why u dont see any on road courses.

 

[dbhittin 5,000+ posts]

and another thing, all the money u spent on ur camaro and the upgrades, i can put into my car and it will not only look better but smoke ur car. So dont go dissin imports

 

[Bavarian3 10+ year member]

FYI I used to be heavy into the import scene before all the Fast & Furious hype started up and it became the "thing" to do. I know a little about that stuff too, you aren't going to pull any wool over my eyes. For anything that you can say, "give me turbo" or "give me nitrous" you can say the same thing for a V8. Want to talk MPG, I can to. Want to pull out some more stuff like "y0 dawg, my m4d tight H0nDa woulD poWn your V8 In the tWisTIes." Game over. Thanks for playing. Come back any time, as long as you bring a real arguement with you, not some stupid engine code that people on the internet told you was awesome.

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if u think im some ricer or something u got it all wrong. I have never owned a jap car and most likely never will. Im all about BMW's. And about this "y0 dawg, my m4d tight H0nDa woulD poWn your V8 In the tWisTIes." Sorry but domestics for the most part camaros, rustangs, firebirds. They handle like ****in boats man. Corvettes are the shit tho.

 

[josh99ta 10+ year member]

EDITING THIS FOR BETTER CONTENT:

First off let me apologize for saying anything degrading to anyone in this thread. I do see that you have replied capone, but I have yet to read it. I want to steer this back the way of a good debate rather than an e-arguement. I was just up late last night, was irritable, and you guys were kind of pushing my buttons on this subject matter. Kind of lost my cool and I apologize. Onto the post.

dbhittin, if you aren't going to contribute anything worthwhile to the debate, dont get in it man. I'm not ragging on any imports, I'm an equal opportunity speed freak.

capone, crankwalk has been around forever on the DSM cars. It was especially prevalent in the 1G Eclipses and Talons. Also, stock LS1 6 speeds are turning in those kind of MPG numbers. No modding to do anything, but once you start modding, your gas mileage starts dropping. But if you do some good tuning you can bring it back up to stock or very close, and there are plenty of 6 speeds breaking 30 MPG no problem. I am not speaking for Mustangs as I dont know that much about them, not my field of expertise.

At the end of the day, it isn't about who gets the most MPG or how has the most HP per litres. If I wanted MPG I would have gotten a car great on gas (and I did), and if I wanted HP per litres I'd get a Buick turbo V6 and boost the bejesus out of it. It isn't about any of that or even dyno numbers. At the end of the day, put the cars on the track. See who the better car and driver is that day. No two ways around that.

Josh - Equal opportunity speed freak //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

(now reading the rest of the thread, and going to keep it clean from here on out)

 

[dbhittin 5,000+ posts]

i love V8's too, my dad had a 69 firebird with a 400big block and a 79 camaro with a 400big block, and if "I" had the money, i would get a 73 camaro. But i like the way my 240 handles and would rather have that for daily driving. But if i could have another one for racing, i would get a older camaro

 

[davidfre21 5,000+ posts]

that post is way to long, can u just give me a brief sumamry of what ur cryin about?

 

[Bavarian3 10+ year member]

that post is way to long, can u just give me a brief sumamry of what ur cryin about?

lol geez seriously. i briefly read it.

Read the recent Car and Driver or Motor Trend and look at the RX8 vs Cobra vs something else, 350Z I believe. RX8 is probably the best handling car out of the pack, but on a road course, they all lost to the Mustang. Why? Road course you need power for the straights as well as good handling for the curves

Who cares about car and driver. That magazine and their stupid show is retarted. I saw that episode it was fukin dumb. And the rx8 came out 3rd out of the 3 cars. I belive the other car was a g35. 350z whatever same thing. A rustang does not have good handling tho, get over it.

dbhittin, you're not putting anything in your car. Your GF is. I'm going to pull back the personal attacks on everyone but this does need to be said. I have no respect for someone like you.

why are u worrying about how other people pay or get their products? Not urs or my business.

Secondly, nobody is MODDED to get those kind of MPG figures. Go and find specs on a 6 speed LS1 car, you know what you're going to see? I think the city figure is 22 or 24 MPG, highway is 31 MPG I know. Nobody is modding anything to do that, the mods can actually take away MPG, and it does in the city. Again, alot of that lies in the tuning after mods, and again, stock they turn in over 30 MPG. Dont know about Mustangs, not really my field of expertise. They may get crap mileage for all I know. But I do know what the LS1 6 speeds can get, and I do know that my automatic LS1 can do 27 MPG all highway driving as well. Dont take my word for it, check a owners manual sometime.

we can agree that the LS1 is a sweet engine.

It dynoed BONE STOCK ) did 282 RWHP and 305 RWTQ. Corrected for an 18% drivetrain lose through the transmission I'm well over 300 RWHP. How many smaller engined cars are making that kind of power factory turboed or supercharged, or even natural aspirated for that matter? 03 Cobra, Vettes (same engine), Z06s of course, and then you start running into HIGH HIGH priced cars like the Viper and such. Tell me, what engine out there, four banger or six, thats factory turboed, thats putting down better numbers than say an 02 LS1 (320ish RWHP) or a new Z06 (380ish RWHP) and running mid 12s stock? You're missing MY whole point. It isn't HOW you make the power, how EFFICIENTLY you make the power, or anything. None of that means ANYTHING!!! Its the POWER that matters.

who cares about how much power u have. Do u relize how heavy ur car is and how shitty it handles. and to me, looks like shit(irrelevant though). Oh and i dont wana comment on the interior of domestics. Its great to know they use the same interior in their trucks as sports cars //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/banghead.gif.8606515f668c74f6de0281deb475b6fd.gif Theres lots of cars that are making that kinda power stock. WRX STi's, Evo8, SRT4 thats new cars. old cars, theres tons. 3000gt Vr4's, rx7(turbo), supra(turbo).

ur statement about how efficiency doesnt matter is just stupid. what about the power to weight ratio. howbout the fact that 200whp in an m3 is just as good as fast 300whp in a camaro. my friends Grand prix supercharged version beat my our other friends camaro with an ls1 engine. they raced a couple times. amazing how just 260hp to the crank can beat 300whp..........but naw efficiency doesnt matter....POWER IS ALL THAT MATTERS //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[oryan20xx 10+ year member]

140 MPH in a 92 Toyota Camry LE................. At about 135mph the car started to shake like a leaf but I pushed on. To reach the elusive 140 mark.....talk about pushing a car to its limit .. my car has a V4 2.2 L engine

lying sob, my 92 xle v6 camry is governed at 120, wasnt too tough to hit either

 

[josh99ta 10+ year member]

dbhittin, very good post man, saying exactly what I wanted to say which

is.... It really all comes down to preference. There is always going to

be something you prefer. I agree, small light cars and fun to drive, I

drive one every day. Also, that apology up above was more geared

towards you than capone. As capone said, none of my business, do your

thang man. You do need to get a job though, lazy ***.....

capone, a few things....

Have you driven an 03 Cobra? I dont care where the chassis came from or

what your heard about it or the fact that its a Cobra? Not a V6 Stang

or even a GT, but have you driven a NEW Cobra? Also, have you driven an

RX8 or 350Z/G35? If you haven't driven all three, then who are you to

say what handles like what. Just because it's a Cobra or a ***** Am or

a Camaro it handles like crap? Or because it has a GVW over 3,000 lbs?

Please give me some logic behind your arguement. Car and Driver

did the test, same driver in all the cars, same track, same everything.

Apples to apples. The track times dont lie. The Cobra put the hurt on

the other two, lighter more nimble cars. Explain that to me?

Handling is kind of like car audio, where as audio is 10% equipment,

90% install, a fast handling car is more like 10% car, 90% driver.

Everything in that comparison was equal, so the "fastest" car out of

the three was the Cobra. No two ways around it.

Secondly, if a stock LS1 Camaro is getting beat by a stock GTP there

are serious problems with the Camaro driver and his car, plain and

simple. GTPs are mid 14 second cars, 98-00 LS1s are mid 13 second cars

and most 01-02 models are solidly in the 12s. Lastly, power-to-weight

ratio has NOTHING to do with efficiency, nothing at all. When I'm

talking about efficiency, I'm not talking about how fast you go with

XXX amount of power, that is an entirely different subject.

And one last thing, who cares what interior is in the car? We aren't

talking about a luxury car, we're talking about going fast. Stop trying

to bring irrelevant points into the discussion, you want to talk about

riding in comfort go to a Lexus forum or something. This post is about

speed.

Oh yeah, check the first post in this thread by myself, I hit the speed

I hit in the process of putting the beatdown on an M3. Good thing my

taillights aren't as ugly as the rest of my car, thats all that M3 was

seeing. Bye-bye Bimmer //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[josh99ta 10+ year member]

Two above posts edited for shorter content.

 

[Wonderbread 5,000+ posts]

Have any of you, outside of Josh, ever run a ***** Am on a course? Didn't think so. That car will pull about a .9 on a skidpad, stock. Throw in the suspension upgrades that Josh has on his whip and take a guess at a number much closer to that elusive 1.0G mark. Higher than your 240, your bimmer, and pretty much anything you can throw at it.

When was the last time your 240SX won anything out there? Maybe at your local track, but not anything real.

db, since you got that whip, you've had your head up your ***, let me just say that. Nothing could possibly outperform your 240sx. It's an import after all.