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[Mark_ab 5,000+ posts]

Yeah,
And I would definetly not consider soundstream...or even arc sound quality amplifiers....becuase they do color the sound a tiny itty bit //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

And you have evidence to back up your claims? Empiricle evidence?

 

[LoneRanger 10+ year member]

As for the RF Amplifier, it will do the job just fine for you, and any component set being fed 100W a channel will rip your head off. You won't need any more power than that, trust me.

I love it when people who are smarter than me repeate what i said like 10 posts ago //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/cool.gif.3bcaf8f141236c00f8044d07150e34f7.gif

It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy......

Do we really need to get into this whole "audible distortion" thing again?

Here's all you need to know on the subject:

At normal operating temperatures, you can't tell the difference between 200RMS out of a legacy or 200w RMS a sinfoni amp. 200w rms is 200w rms, no matter how you slice it. What makes a quality amp is a number of things, including but not limited to:

heat dissapation

quality of internal parts (ie thermal handling properties)

quality of filters (ie ssf, crossover, gain control)

quality of external connections (ie power, ground, remote, speaker output)

quality of signal being fed into the amp (ie the RCA inputs)

If you let your legacy get nice and warm, it'll sound like shit because the internals aren't meant to handle extreme conditions as well as the sinfoni. If you let your legacy get nice and warm on a regular basis, chances are it'll die alot quicker than the sinfoni. Durability and heat dissapation: That's what makes a quality amp //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

I'm the proud owner of an Audio Art 70.2. I purchased it for a meager $100 in 1998 based on the fact that it was built in america (from chinese parts, of course).

In my humble opinion, this is one of the best amps ever built. It doesn't have any filters or gain control, and you have to take it apart to replace the fuse should you blow it. However, it puts out more than twice it's rated power and even tho it's been run at 2ohms mono as long as I've owned it (almost 5 years now) it's never gotten warm enough to shut itself off or blown the internal fuse.....wish I could say the same about my $250 JBL or my $350 Cadence //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Spddracer 10+ year member]

I love it when people who are smarter than me repeate what i said like 10 posts ago //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/cool.gif.3bcaf8f141236c00f8044d07150e34f7.gif
It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy......

Do we really need to get into this whole "audible distortion" thing again?

Here's all you need to know on the subject:

At normal operating temperatures, you can't tell the difference between 200RMS out of a legacy or 200w RMS a sinfoni amp. 200w rms is 200w rms, no matter how you slice it. What makes a quality amp is a number of things, including but not limited to:

heat dissapation

quality of internal parts (ie thermal handling properties)

quality of filters (ie ssf, crossover, gain control)

quality of external connections (ie power, ground, remote, speaker output)

quality of signal being fed into the amp (ie the RCA inputs)

If you let your legacy get nice and warm, it'll sound like shit because the internals aren't meant to handle extreme conditions as well as the sinfoni. If you let your legacy get nice and warm on a regular basis, chances are it'll die alot quicker than the sinfoni. Durability and heat dissapation: That's what makes a quality amp //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

I'm the proud owner of an Audio Art 70.2. I purchased it for a meager $100 in 1998 based on the fact that it was built in america (from chinese parts, of course).

In my humble opinion, this is one of the best amps ever built. It doesn't have any filters or gain control, and you have to take it apart to replace the fuse should you blow it. However, it puts out more than twice it's rated power and even tho it's been run at 2ohms mono as long as I've owned it (almost 5 years now) it's never gotten warm enough to shut itself off or blown the internal fuse.....wish I could say the same about my $250 JBL or my $350 Cadence //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

So your saying a tube amp will sound the same as a solid state driven amp so long as they are the same wattage ???

 

[LoneRanger 10+ year member]

So your saying a tube amp will sound the same as a solid state driven amp so long as they are the same wattage ???

tell ya what.....meet me any day of the week and we'll do a side-by-side comparison. i'll hook the speaker up to four solid state amps and one tube amp (any speaker you want), and if you can tell me which one is the tube, i'll give you all five amps. If you can't you owe me 20 bucks //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[bumpin_blazer 5,000+ posts]

tell ya what.....meet me any day of the week and we'll do a side-by-side comparison. i'll hook the speaker up to four solid state amps and one tube amp (any speaker you want), and if you can tell me which one is the tube, i'll give you all five amps. If you can't you owe me 20 bucks //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

that one might not be a safe side bet for you donn. only reason i say this is b/c tube amps add that nice lil' warmth as most people tend to call it b/c there really isn't a term to call it. hell other's call it distortion but typically you can tell the added sound that a tube amplifier adds to your sound stage.

adam

 

[Spddracer 10+ year member]

tell ya what.....meet me any day of the week and we'll do a side-by-side comparison. i'll hook the speaker up to four solid state amps and one tube amp (any speaker you want), and if you can tell me which one is the tube, i'll give you all five amps. If you can't you owe me 20 bucks //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Theres alot of variables there in the open . But Im game . When you want to meet and where ?

Ill put up $20 to hear 5 diff amps in my truck any day of the week ! But I bet I can tell you which one the Tube is . Why were at it Ill bring My Soundstream with NO x-overs in and you bring a CHEAP amp that you say will sound the same and Ill tell you which is which there too !

 

[bumpin_blazer 5,000+ posts]

Theres alot of variables there in the open . But Im game . When you want to meet and where ?Ill put up $20 to hear 5 diff amps in my truck any day of the week ! But I bet I can tell you which one the Tube is . Why were at it Ill bring My Soundstream with NO x-overs in and you bring a CHEAP amp that you say will sound the same and Ill tell you which is which there too !

the tube yes that's about it there is no audible difference between your SS amp vs. say a US amps or anything else out there that is without a crossover. next you'll say you'd hear a difference between the SS and my PPI Arts which i have done a side by side comparison with someone else that said that exact same thing and he was dead wrong. i compared my PPI Art to his SS rubi amp and he said my ppi's were his SS and vice versa. that was on a blind test with my car.

adam

 

[Spddracer 10+ year member]

My point , Your comparing an art seires and a Rubicon . 2 amps in my opinion that sound great . Lets try a SS or Art seires against a legacy/pyramid/Lightning audio . You dont think you would notice a difference ?

loneranger ...

If theres no difference why the hell do good amps have better THD ratings , Dampning Factors . Bigger cap banks Ect Ect Ect I dont go by what "People Tell me" I go by my ears and to me there is a huge difference in different amps ! Some smaller difference than others some big difference . Ive seen this debate on the forums before the test is setup with no x-overs with a tone playing . and no you probalby couldnt tell the difference that way . Play music on the other hand and yes you can tell if you cant your def or have no comprehension of what sounds good and bad . I will stop bableling now you have your opinion I have mine .. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/banghead.gif.8606515f668c74f6de0281deb475b6fd.gif

 

[bumpin_blazer 5,000+ posts]

My point , Your comparing an art seires and a Rubicon . 2 amps in my opinion that sound great . Lets try a SS or Art seires against a legacy/pyramid/Lightning audio . You dont think you would notice a difference ?
loneranger ...

If theres no difference why the hell do good amps have better THD ratings , Dampning Factors . Bigger cap banks Ect Ect Ect I dont go by what "People Tell me" I go by my ears and to me there is a huge difference in different amps ! Some smaller difference than others some big difference . Ive seen this debate on the forums before the test is setup with no x-overs with a tone playing . and no you probalby couldnt tell the difference that way . Play music on the other hand and yes you can tell if you cant your def or have no comprehension of what sounds good and bad . I will stop bableling now you have your opinion I have mine .. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/banghead.gif.8606515f668c74f6de0281deb475b6fd.gif

no i have facts and you have opinions. ok you want the other 5 comparisons i've done with my art vs. other?? how about a legacy 300x2 rms amp versus my ppi art amp?? could i tell any sound difference yes, b/c of the SSF and crossover the other amp had. a watt is a watt if both come from an untainted source i.e. a basica amplifier with no whistle's they will sound the same. THD #'s??? you show me an amp with an audible distortion level and i will shut up, i only know of 1 that people would use as a full range amp and it's an old optimus. dampning factors have very little to do with sound if anything at all from my experience.

adam

 

[Spddracer 10+ year member]

no i have facts and you have opinions. ok you want the other 5 comparisons i've done with my art vs. other?? how about a legacy 300x2 rms amp versus my ppi art amp?? could i tell any sound difference yes, b/c of the SSF and crossover the other amp had. a watt is a watt if both come from an untainted source i.e. a basica amplifier with no whistle's they will sound the same. THD #'s??? you show me an amp with an audible distortion level and i will shut up, i only know of 1 that people would use as a full range amp and it's an old optimus. dampning factors have very little to do with sound if anything at all from my experience.
adam

Ok so if I take out all the guts that make an amp sound different they will sound the same......... Got Ya :thumbsup

 

[bumpin_blazer 5,000+ posts]

Ok so if I take out all the guts that make an amp sound different they will sound the same......... Got Ya :thumbsup

and to think i used to think you were smart.

adam

 

[LoneRanger 10+ year member]

I live in wellston ohio. I'll gladly meet you anywhere within a 200 mile radius. Anything farther than that would cost me more in gas than what theis bet is worth. You can even choose the material to be played.

I'm very tired of this argument....read it too many times....in the famous words of a no fear t-shirt "put up or shut up"

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

the differences you hear are processing and or just flat power. thd if under 2% at volume isnt noticable (because speakers playing are already above that). now some amps put out more power than others especially under load. dampening factor is equivelent to "better cornering" in a car but i have had to of yet hear dampening factor work(im on my 25-30 amp now). but in speeds defense the ss amps are sorta us ampish into power they put to the speakers ...i had two 3.0 ss amps that put most any 100x2 amps to shame (3.0's were rated at 12.5x2) as close to as figuring out true power on the amp i would guesstimate it at 75-150 watts per side rms

 

[Mark_ab 5,000+ posts]

My point , Your comparing an art seires and a Rubicon . 2 amps in my opinion that sound great . Lets try a SS or Art seires against a legacy/pyramid/Lightning audio . You dont think you would notice a difference ?
loneranger ...

If theres no difference why the hell do good amps have better THD ratings , Dampning Factors . Bigger cap banks Ect Ect Ect I dont go by what "People Tell me" I go by my ears and to me there is a huge difference in different amps ! Some smaller difference than others some big difference . Ive seen this debate on the forums before the test is setup with no x-overs with a tone playing . and no you probalby couldnt tell the difference that way . Play music on the other hand and yes you can tell if you cant your def or have no comprehension of what sounds good and bad . I will stop bableling now you have your opinion I have mine .. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/banghead.gif.8606515f668c74f6de0281deb475b6fd.gif

The percieved difference you "hear" between amplifiers is skewed by the fact that you know exactly what amplifier is playing. Richard Clark still has his $10000 if you think your ears are finer tuned than anyone elses out there.

The "facts" you speak of are not even remotely close to facts. This tiresome arguement, as said by Loneranger ( //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif ) is jaded. Come to me with evidence to support your claims and then you can talk. As it sits right now marketing voodoo is kicking you ***.

 

[Pl8er 5,000+ posts]

Personally, I am a huge U.S. amps fan. They sounds GREAT and are very reliable and underrated, BUT, I would say with a quality component set there are much better amps out there. If you want a clean sound and have the money to spend look at a mcintosh amp to power those. Use the RF for the subs. Just my two cents but I think you would get much better sound out of that setup.