Everyone realizes that republicans PURPOSELY have created this massive debt, correct?


ahole-ic

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It's obvious that you're interpreting the graph differently, and if you really want to win the argument instead of just piss everyone off by spewing your nonsense, you'll show him where he's wrong.
Nobody is mad but you... as one can tell from your language. There is only one way to read the graph. My post included that information. What you ask for is already there.

According to him, the graph proved him right. There's some sort of discrepancy here, and just claiming that he's an idiot because you don't think they say the same thing just makes you look stupider.
You're resorting to name calling because you have lost. I provided that information. Had you read and been able to comprehend you would know that.

Again, your posts can't solely consist of, "You're wrong."
They didn't. They had everything there... but you already know this. That's why you're lying. Just like a true liberal you will lie even when the proof is just a few posts back.... hoping that anyone else reading this will miss it.

It's not "what's contained within."
Yeah... it is. Quality over quantity is what matters in any scenario.

Like I said, two scholars discussing one thing and coming to a conclusion doesn't make their agreement fact. All academic articles contain are theories. Theories can be made fact if they're validated.
This is validated. They looked at the numbers in relation to what happened at the time and tell you exactly how it happened etc. fdr's own treasury secretary validates the point. You both ignored that and tried to lie and say i said nothing because what I did say proves you wrong. You cannot discredit the source. (a simply google search will yield many) You cannot discredit what those sources say. They discredit you... so you are attempting to discredit me. Stick to the facts. When you liberals go after the actual person, everyone else can see you have lost the debate.

You're getting defensive, and you aren't providing shit. You should just accept that you've lost this battle. You should start calling him un-American so you look good again.

Did you see how his links were to actual information? If you can provide some sort of statistic to prove that you're right, then you're right. Until then, you're wrong. There's no other way to look at it.
I provided all you need and I'm not defensive. You're attacking me and calling me names. Clearly you are defensive. Until you can use some logic to show how my post was wrong, YOU are wrong. Since you can't and you've resorted to attacking me, you have lost and there is no way out of it.

 

ahole-ic

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If you look, the GDP spiraled out of control for several years. Then it stopped and recovered slightly, only to begin falling again until the fourth neutrality act was passed. This allowed the US to trade arms with other nations. Then the lend-lease act was passed that did more of the same. At that time, gdp grew and continued to grow until well into ww2. It was not the government stealing money from the private sector via taxes and then injecting it back into the private sector (this is a 0 sum game) that stimulated the economy as that logically doesn't make sense and can't work. It was the United States fueling the allied war machine that got businesses making money. It created a HUGE new revenue source. This is plainly obvious when looking at the time line and knowing history. I stated this before. I'm not going to bombard you with links so you can attempt to discredit my source. A simple google search will confirm I'm right.

 
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Buck

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I didn't realize when you owned your own site you could only post on that site. That's weird.
Oh, I didn't either, because that's not what I said.

 

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Pretty glamorous bro, but I didn't delete your 15 minutes of fame.
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Nobody is mad but you... as one can tell from your language. There is only one way to read the graph. My post included that information. What you ask for is already there.


You're resorting to name calling because you have lost. I provided that information. Had you read and been able to comprehend you would know that.

They didn't. They had everything there... but you already know this. That's why you're lying. Just like a true liberal you will lie even when the proof is just a few posts back.... hoping that anyone else reading this will miss it.

Yeah... it is. Quality over quantity is what matters in any scenario.

This is validated. They looked at the numbers in relation to what happened at the time and tell you exactly how it happened etc. fdr's own treasury secretary validates the point. You both ignored that and tried to lie and say i said nothing because what I did say proves you wrong. You cannot discredit the source. (a simply google search will yield many) You cannot discredit what those sources say. They discredit you... so you are attempting to discredit me. Stick to the facts. When you liberals go after the actual person, everyone else can see you have lost the debate.

I provided all you need and I'm not defensive. You're attacking me and calling me names. Clearly you are defensive. Until you can use some logic to show how my post was wrong, YOU are wrong. Since you can't and you've resorted to attacking me, you have lost and there is no way out of it.
All I see is, "You're a deceitful liberal. Everyone needs to hate you. I'm not going to take the time to search Google to provide the evidence I keep claiming is there. I didn't do what you said. You did what you said. I'm still not going to show everyone here how I'm right. I'm just going to keep saying you're evil so I win the argument."

I'm not lying about anything. No one thinks you're right just because you keep calling us all wrong. And again, you have failed to prove your argument. As this argument keeps going, you just keep getting more personal. Yes, I'm a liberal. No, I'm not trying to take advantage of everyone. Unlike you, I am arguing in the hope that everyone will re-read through the topic and see how radical and stupid your ideas are. I'm calling you names because you're calling me names, only you hide the names in several ambiguous sentences, hoping that people don't see them.

With a simple Google search, I can see that Abraham Lincoln raped his mother. With a simple Google search, I can find that Barack Obama killed three hookers at the age of twelve. My point is, even people working/studying at universities have radical, illogical, moronic ideas. Writers must have authority or validation to prove their point, unless they just write to herd the sheep(you). You can keep going on about how I'm the devil, how I'm wrong and you're right, but until you PROVE your point rather than telling everyone else to go do it for you, I stand by everything I've said.

I'm not interested in your argument with Proximity, so I'm coming into this at an unbiased standpoint. I don't care about FDR or deficits in the '30s. I just see that he has posted numbers and statistical proof(or so he says) validating his claim. You've showed one article containing two people discussing numbers and interpreting them in a way that makes sense to them. Your argument can't be, "These two people are smarter than you. Listen to them." After the article, you argued that we're manipulative liars. That doesn't help your argument. I'm trying to ask you to prove your point, and you aren't.

 
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sobe3yourself.

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all of you conspiracy theorists need to STFU AND RTFO. stop being so paranoid.

nice guys finish last and you have to be a cornhole to get your way so deal with it.

 

MisterDeadeye

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all of you conspiracy theorists need to STFU AND RTFO. stop being so paranoid.
I don't think there are many conspiracy theorists here. There are only people with very different views, and while nothing will be reconciled, I know that eventually we will ween out the morons. Eventually, one side of the argument will provide what's necessary to end the discussion, and the losing party will go home to eCrack.net.

 

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ahole-ic

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All I see is, "You're a deceitful liberal. Everyone needs to hate you. I'm not going to take the time to search Google to provide the evidence I keep claiming is there. I didn't do what you said. You did what you said. I'm still not going to show everyone here how I'm right. I'm just going to keep saying you're evil so I win the argument."
I'm not lying about anything. No one thinks you're right just because you keep calling us all wrong. And again, you have failed to prove your argument. As this argument keeps going, you just keep getting more personal. Yes, I'm a liberal. No, I'm not trying to take advantage of everyone. Unlike you, I am arguing in the hope that everyone will re-read through the topic and see how radical and stupid your ideas are. I'm calling you names because you're calling me names, only you hide the names in several ambiguous sentences, hoping that people don't see them.
I've not called you anything or hidden anything. I provided proof. You didn't read it. You're calling me radical and stupid yet you're saying we should be a totally socialist country and everyone should just want to help others and that's it... yet I'm the radical? Nope. I'm preaching we should get back to what has worked for us... and that is NOT socialism. It has failed and failed miserably.

With a simple Google search, I can see that Abraham Lincoln raped his mother. With a simple Google search, I can find that Barack Obama killed three hookers at the age of twelve. My point is, even people working/studying at universities have radical, illogical, moronic ideas. Writers must have authority or validation to prove their point, unless they just write to herd the sheep(you). You can keep going on about how I'm the devil, how I'm wrong and you're right, but until you PROVE your point rather than telling everyone else to go do it for you, I stand by everything I've said.
I DID prove my point. You failed to comprehend... and we can't expect any more from you. I provided quotes, and a link. You are trying to discredit that link, and asking me for more links so you can attempt to discredit them. I knew you would so I called you on it before you did it. That has you mad because I beat you at your own game and so you're lashing out and calling me names with NO substance behind it. The people enduring to read this crap (you and me and proximity are it btw. Nobody else is going to read through this) KNOW that you have nothing.

I'm not interested in your argument with Proximity, so I'm coming into this at an unbiased standpoint.
You jumped in defending him. You clearly just lied there. Anyone that has read this can see that.

I don't care about FDR or deficits in the '30s. I just see that he has posted numbers and statistical proof(or so he says) validating his claim.
It did not validate his claim. GDP continued to dip even after fdr's stimulus. I showed that, and then gave proof of why it came back up. Had you read it, instead of looked for links to discredit, you would know that.

You've showed one article containing two people discussing numbers and interpreting them in a way that makes sense to them. Your argument can't be, "These two people are smarter than you. Listen to them." After the article, you argued that we're manipulative liars. That doesn't help your argument. I'm trying to ask you to prove your point, and you aren't.
There was MUCH MUCH more than that in my post. The article was but ONE thing. You did not read or did not comprehend. I proved my point. I'm asking you to give up this charade. It didn't work. There was MUCH more there than what you acknowledge.
 

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I've not called you anything or hidden anything. I provided proof. You didn't read it. You're calling me radical and stupid yet you're saying we should be a totally socialist country and everyone should just want to help others and that's it... yet I'm the radical? Nope. I'm preaching we should get back to what has worked for us... and that is NOT socialism. It has failed and failed miserably.
You have called me a thief, poor, incompetent, a liar, and more. You're the liar now. We've also discussed the socialism/capitalism thing, and even though I told you that wasn't my view, you keep telling me it is.

I DID prove my point. You failed to comprehend... and we can't expect any more from you. I provided quotes, and a link. You are trying to discredit that link, and asking me for more links so you can attempt to discredit them. I knew you would so I called you on it before you did it. That has you mad because I beat you at your own game and so you're lashing out and calling me names with NO substance behind it. The people enduring to read this crap (you and me and proximity are it btw. Nobody else is going to read through this) KNOW that you have nothing.
There's no "we" in this situation. There's you, Proximity, and me. I haven't failed to comprehend anything. You're calling me stupid again. Quotes from people throughout time mean nothing. I'm not saying there's no credibility in one link from one college from two people. I'm saying it's not enough to call their ideas fact. I already gave you my ultimatum, and I've explained several different times why it is I want you to post more links. I'm not discrediting anything. If you give me five links from different colleges that say the same thing that this article says, I'll admit that Proximity was wrong. I'll call it fact and that will be it. You took the time to call me on it so that everyone reading would think of me as a crook instead of just providing the little bit of extra information I asked. I'm not mad, bro. I don't get mad over the internet. The only game I'm playing is, "Prove yourself right," and you're doing a poor job.

You jumped in defending him. You clearly just lied there. Anyone that has read this can see that.
You know what they say about assumptions. I jumped in to point out that you were in the wrong, not to defend Proximity. I called him a troll on the second page. You've just proven that your whole idea of me is flawed, so there's really no reason for you to analyze anything I say.

It did not validate his claim. GDP continued to dip even after fdr's stimulus. I showed that, and then gave proof of why it came back up. Had you read it, instead of looked for links to discredit, you would know that.
Again, I'm not arguing your point. I'm telling you that you haven't given any proof to show that he's wrong. I was looking for links because they're the only things I can credit when there are morons talking about how they read a graph differently.

There was MUCH MUCH more than that in my post. The article was but ONE thing. You did not read or did not comprehend. I proved my point. I'm asking you to give up this charade. It didn't work. There was MUCH more there than what you acknowledge.
You're right. The rest was fluff. Happy now? Regardless, you did something very similar to a post of mine in another topic.

 

ahole-ic

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In 1936 he came close to balancing the budget, or at least came much closer than before. These are the ACTUAL DEFICITS, calculated from the REAL PUBLIC DEBT before and after the year. There are no smoke and mirrors. FDR reduced spending in 1936. He reduced his works programs. And then it resulted in a double dip depression. These are facts.
Here you go. This entirely proves what you just said horribly wrong.The Recovery from the Great Depression of the 1930s

They measured REAL unemployment during the great depression. The U-3 calculated rate, that excludes people not looking for work (ie lower than it should be), was NOT used 80 years ago. Your argument has failed. Take a look at this: http://www.mint.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/unemploymentratemint2.jpg
They estimated unemployment during the great depression. Unemployment During the Great Depression

Besides, you forget the entire other side of my argument that FDR's policies were working despite super high taxes (compared to now). The GDP. It was steadily increasing at one of the higher GDP growth rates we've ever seen.
Refer to link #1.
Of course during the war it was even higher because the Keynesian socialist stimulus government spending went even higher.
Can't and didn't work that way. Look at the boom prior to us entering the war. That was in our isolationist period where we were selling weapons to the allied war effort. I already stated this but you guys overlooked it.

Again, it's not true just because you say it. There is no evidence that suggest this. If it boomed the economy, how did Bush lead us into the worth economy since the Great Depression?
There is TONS of evidence to suggest this. Bush didn't. obama did. Debt was at 40% of gdp under Bush. It's now at 60%. That's all on this retard in office now using failed socialist policies. They are not working. We are still on the decline.

I'd love to see that. I really would. I take back the naked thing. Feel free to prove me wrong.
It's easy enough. What's funny is, it's been done over and over again. I've got all the ammo I need.... but one thing at a time.

Also, I can't show that higher taxes improve the economy because they don't. However, they fund programs and policy that does.
The funny thing about liberals saying social programs help the economy is, the economy is based on the success of the private sector. The private sector is needed to fund the public sector. Without the private sector the public sector couldn't exist. So knowing that, how in the world could stealing money from the private sector, and then giving it back to the private sector help anyone? It can't and never has.

 

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Yep, me saying he made a good joke is me endorsing him, everything he says, and everything he does here. And I guess me agreeing with you means I promote you and everything you do here too.
If you are sensitive to trolls, you might want to rethink your sig pic.
Not at all just get sick of seeing BS like this everywhere cuz it's not gunna change so you mitt as well STFU and be useful American citizen volunteering or working hard or anything besides ***** on the internet

 

ahole-ic

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You have called me a thief, poor, incompetent, a liar, and more. You're the liar now. We've also discussed the socialism/capitalism thing, and even though I told you that wasn't my view, you keep telling me it is.
Please quote these statements. ALL of them. If you can't show that I called you these, you certainly have lied. You DID say that was your view and I quoted it.

There's no "we" in this situation. There's you, Proximity, and me. I haven't failed to comprehend anything. You're calling me stupid again.
Where did I use that word?

Quotes from people throughout time mean nothing.
Sure. Quotes from FDR's treasury secretary completely disproving the liberal's case is obviously meaningless. Awesome call bro.

I'm not saying there's no credibility in one link from one college from two people. I'm saying it's not enough to call their ideas fact. I already gave you my ultimatum, and I've explained several different times why it is I want you to post more links.
You're not the referee and you have no authority here. YOu are attempting to control the discussion. YOu cannot give me an ultimatum. I've already proved you wrong and you cannot refute it.

I'm not discrediting anything. If you give me five links from different colleges that say the same thing that this article says, I'll admit that Proximity was wrong. I'll call it fact and that will be it.
I'll tell you what. When you get a petition signed by 500 members of this board saying that you have some authority to referee this discussion and determine who is right or wrong, I will get your 5 articles.

You took the time to call me on it so that everyone reading would think of me as a crook instead of just providing the little bit of extra information I asked. I'm not mad, bro. I don't get mad over the internet. The only game I'm playing is, "Prove yourself right," and you're doing a poor job.
I already did that. It's done and over with and you know your cause is defeated so you're making a hilarious attempt to play the referee and get me to play your game.

You know what they say about assumptions. I jumped in to point out that you were in the wrong, not to defend Proximity. I called him a troll on the second page. You've just proven that your whole idea of me is flawed, so there's really no reason for you to analyze anything I say.
So you trolling a troll takes away the fact that you're in here defending him after admitting that you are both liberals/socialsts? I'm just supposed to ignore the fact that you are uniting against a common enemy? Awesome bit of logic bro.

Again, I'm not arguing your point. I'm telling you that you haven't given any proof to show that he's wrong. I was looking for links because they're the only things I can credit when there are morons talking about how they read a graph differently.
Another ad-hominem. Awesome man! You're really giving me a tongue lashing! Do you feel better? I provided proof. It's proof that you can't refute, so you're looking for sources to try to refute instead. You can have them with a simple google search.... You will get them from left, right, and whatever sources that you cannot discredit. I provided the quotes and the truth. You can find sources anywhere.... the difference is if YOU find them... you can't discredit them all.

 

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Not at all just get sick of seeing BS like this everywhere cuz it's not gunna change so you mitt as well STFU and be useful American citizen volunteering or working hard or anything besides ***** on the internet
When you figure out the irony you just created then we will take you seriously.

 

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