Everyone realizes that republicans PURPOSELY have created this massive debt, correct?

[Proximity 10+ year member]

Just gets old seeing people like you come on here and that's all you do is spout of some BS in the dome and never once help in the yech section or have anything FS... I understand it's the dome but it's still in an audio forum...

http://www.caraudio.com/forums/wiring-electrical-installation-help/514866-re-wiring-car.html#post7629326

http://www.caraudio.com/forums/wiring-electrical-installation-help/514852-couple-questions-ground-loop-wiring.html#post7629336

How long do those buy me?

 

[Bettr n' Revrse 5,000+ posts]

I'll let you know lol

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

http://www.caraudio.com/forums/wiring-electrical-installation-help/514866-re-wiring-car.html#post7629326http://www.caraudio.com/forums/wiring-electrical-installation-help/514852-couple-questions-ground-loop-wiring.html#post7629336

How long do those buy me?

Made me lol, good one.

 

[MisterDeadeye 10+ year member]

No.... it shouldn't.
Of course. The government has all of mine.

I work hardest when the fruits of my labor are coming directly to me. All of it... not just some. I work WAY less hard when I know i only get but a small percentage of what I actually earned.

This is class envy. It's not for you to say what someone else can have. They or their family earned it and it's not for you to take away. Try to emulate... not hate.

Not true. Capitalism allows us to have the freest nation the world has ever known. This is the land of opportunity where if a person cannot find work, they can MAKE work. They can start their own business. They can rake leaves, mow lawns, or whatever skill they have to offer.

Of course it is.

Those that work to earn money get it and those that don't get none isn't fair? It honestly can't get any more fair than that.

socialism proves that life IS unfair because it takes from those that earn it and gives it to those that do not.

It's the reason the United States has grown to the world's only super power. It's why we are the greatest nation ever to exist on planet earth.

Yeah... clearly we've failed. We are the best nation on earth. OBVIOUSLY a failure.

The country isn't poor.

By taking the profits from those that take risks and create wealth, and giving it to those that don't take risks and make no wealth, you are by definition punishing success and rewarding failure. For if you weren't punishing success, you would allow those that made the money to keep it, and you would allow those that did not to keep what they had.

So "not wealth" = the country is better? Wrong.

lol

That is not only scary but it's ignorant.

Congratulations. Saying the opposite of every one of my sentences makes you the winner(kidding). Conservative idiocy at its best(worst?).

Class envy has nothing to do with what I was talking about. The sentences before and after the one you're referring to were talking about how hard people work. I'm not talking about the government taxing anyone or taking anyone's money. I don't care about the arguments you're having with everyone else. I'm talking about Capitalism and Socialism, and how Capitalism is a corrupt system.

You really think the United States is the best country in the world? Do you live in a rock? Have you seen any studies on the intelligence of our students compared to other countries? Do you know how much debt we're in? Do you know how many countless wars we've started, and how many enemies we've created? You're starting to make me think you're just some stupid troll.

I've never said that the country doesn't need to have wealth. I'm saying YOU don't need to be rich for the country to be better. You being rich is selfish. I'm talking about the individual person, and business in general, as I've been talking about throughout the argument. You're taking what I'm saying out of context, and you're not even making a good argument.

I'm not saying punish the wealthy; I'm saying punish the corrupt, and the greedy. You obviously have no idea where I'm going with this at all, do you? Being poor doesn't make someone a failure. That's the capitalistic bullshit you've been brainwashed to believe. It's quite obvious there's no way we can discuss this at all; you're too ignorant to see anything in any way other than your own.

The country IS poor. There's a reason we outsource everything. There's a reason we're in debt. Do you need me to define poverty for you? Nothing(this is an overstatement; sorry) is made in America. We don't have money and we don't have much to export. We don't even have a healthy economy. Saying we're not poor because we're a great country is wrong. The country is better than others, yes, and we're not crumbled into pieces yet, but that doesn't make us this wealthy superpower you make us out to be.

The part of your post that really makes me laugh is this:

It's that we have a government that is taxing and spending like crazy... so those that are business owners. The risk takers. The ones that employ the rest of us do not want to risk their money... because they know they will be taxed to death and the liklihood of succeeding in any risks right now is very slim. socialism is the reason for our problem right now. It's why we're in this mess.

The government is taxing and spending like crazy BECAUSE of all of the super rich business owners with billions of dollars. The business owners have all of the money and don't want to give up any of it, even though the taxes are a PERCENTAGE of their profit. That still means they're succeeding, and with the billions of dollars they have in assets, I'm sure they'll find some way to stay afloat. Socialism is the solution to the problem right now. Do you really think Socialism has been controlling the country for the past 60 years? You should learn about cause and effect; they matter.

You said you work hardest when you don't have to give the government [a very small amount of] money for things like schools, Social Security, and postage? You're right; you should pretend you don't benefit from any of that. Besides, why should anyone else deserve to go to school and have an identity? All that matters is you. *cough* greedy idiot *cough* How could the government possibly tax you so much that you don't make a profit? If you're a "successful" businessman, you should be making enough money to not care about the little money taken away from you, unless you're greedy. Again. Greedy.

The only problem I see here is that you're overtaken by being the richest possible person in the country, and if the government doesn't think that's fair, then fuck the government. Fuck anyone that says you don't deserve to control the flow of goods just because you were able to step on a few people. Not everyone is as selfish as you are, and saying it's fair to take advantage of people just because you can is wrong. I'll give you the definition of fair. Fair is an adjective meaning free of bias, dishonesty, or injustice. Bias, dishonesty, and injustice are three things that Capitalism inevitably brings with it. Socialism gets rid of bias, dishonesty, and injustice. Oddly enough, Conservatism in nature says not to let things change. By definition, then, it promotes bias(because conservatism says change is bad, no matter what), and injustice(because it's unjust and unreasonable to think things shouldn't ever change).

The country is no longer the land of opportunity, and using the cliche of "If people can't find work, they can MAKE it," is you just trying to find a reason to say capitalism is king. For families, raking and mowing lawns isn't a viable option for survival. If socialism was implemented, it would be more possible for someone to "MAKE work". In socialism, one doesn't have to worry about Walmart(which, by the way, is a very large and corrupt company; they make money if their employees die).

Defending capitalism by saying that all of these large companies create jobs is moot because socialism in itself promotes self-management and creates countless jobs. There wouldn't be the closing of small businesses because of larger companies stealing business because of their sheer wealth.

In the end, no one system will work forever, and no ideology is completely correct. The country needs to be all liberal, all the time, so that we can change when need be. The thing wrong with the country is corruption, much like most other large states that failed. The nation needs to realize that there's corruption, get rid of it, and start new. Saying that conservatism and capitalism are necessary for the country to "remain" great is in itself wrong, because again, like I said, the country isn't great.

To all the conservatives out there, I have a few questions. What was America founded on? Why was America formed in the first place? Disregarding all current trends in business, stocks, taxes, political parties, etc., what was the intended purpose of America? Was it privately owned monopolies run by fat cats? Was their goal to be the largest power in the world? If you call yourself a conservative, you should think about what allowed you to have those ideas in the first place. You and I both understand that economics weren't such a large issue, and the amount of resources wasn't a problem, but you need to understand that the constant "need" to create things to make more money is what's taking away resources at an alarming rate and creating these mile wide trash dumps in the middle of the oceans.

Regardless of what you say, the complexity of what the United States has created is its downfall, and everything is convoluted beyond belief. There IS corruption, and there IS inequality, not just because there are rich and poor people. It's because there are people born into wealth who deserve nothing, and people born into poverty who deserve more. That's why capitalism is stupid.

 

[AlterEgo99 5,000+ posts]

I just pooped again. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 

[ahole-ic]

Congratulations. Saying the opposite of every one of my sentences makes you the winner(kidding). Conservative idiocy at its best(worst?).
Class envy has nothing to do with what I was talking about. The sentences before and after the one you're referring to were talking about how hard people work. I'm not talking about the government taxing anyone or taking anyone's money. I don't care about the arguments you're having with everyone else. I'm talking about Capitalism and Socialism, and how Capitalism is a corrupt system.

You really think the United States is the best country in the world? Do you live in a rock? Have you seen any studies on the intelligence of our students compared to other countries? Do you know how much debt we're in? Do you know how many countless wars we've started, and how many enemies we've created? You're starting to make me think you're just some stupid troll.

I've never said that the country doesn't need to have wealth. I'm saying YOU don't need to be rich for the country to be better. You being rich is selfish. I'm talking about the individual person, and business in general, as I've been talking about throughout the argument. You're taking what I'm saying out of context, and you're not even making a good argument.

I'm not saying punish the wealthy; I'm saying punish the corrupt, and the greedy. You obviously have no idea where I'm going with this at all, do you? Being poor doesn't make someone a failure. That's the capitalistic bullshit you've been brainwashed to believe. It's quite obvious there's no way we can discuss this at all; you're too ignorant to see anything in any way other than your own.

The country IS poor. There's a reason we outsource everything. There's a reason we're in debt. Do you need me to define poverty for you? Nothing(this is an overstatement; sorry) is made in America. We don't have money and we don't have much to export. We don't even have a healthy economy. Saying we're not poor because we're a great country is wrong. The country is better than others, yes, and we're not crumbled into pieces yet, but that doesn't make us this wealthy superpower you make us out to be.

The part of your post that really makes me laugh is this:

The government is taxing and spending like crazy BECAUSE of all of the super rich business owners with billions of dollars. The business owners have all of the money and don't want to give up any of it, even though the taxes are a PERCENTAGE of their profit. That still means they're succeeding, and with the billions of dollars they have in assets, I'm sure they'll find some way to stay afloat. Socialism is the solution to the problem right now. Do you really think Socialism has been controlling the country for the past 60 years? You should learn about cause and effect; they matter.

You said you work hardest when you don't have to give the government [a very small amount of] money for things like schools, Social Security, and postage? You're right; you should pretend you don't benefit from any of that. Besides, why should anyone else deserve to go to school and have an identity? All that matters is you. *cough* greedy idiot *cough* How could the government possibly tax you so much that you don't make a profit? If you're a "successful" businessman, you should be making enough money to not care about the little money taken away from you, unless you're greedy. Again. Greedy.

The only problem I see here is that you're overtaken by being the richest possible person in the country, and if the government doesn't think that's fair, then fuck the government. Fuck anyone that says you don't deserve to control the flow of goods just because you were able to step on a few people. Not everyone is as selfish as you are, and saying it's fair to take advantage of people just because you can is wrong. I'll give you the definition of fair. Fair is an adjective meaning free of bias, dishonesty, or injustice. Bias, dishonesty, and injustice are three things that Capitalism inevitably brings with it. Socialism gets rid of bias, dishonesty, and injustice. Oddly enough, Conservatism in nature says not to let things change. By definition, then, it promotes bias(because conservatism says change is bad, no matter what), and injustice(because it's unjust and unreasonable to think things shouldn't ever change).

The country is no longer the land of opportunity, and using the cliche of "If people can't find work, they can MAKE it," is you just trying to find a reason to say capitalism is king. For families, raking and mowing lawns isn't a viable option for survival. If socialism was implemented, it would be more possible for someone to "MAKE work". In socialism, one doesn't have to worry about Walmart(which, by the way, is a very large and corrupt company; they make money if their employees die).

Defending capitalism by saying that all of these large companies create jobs is moot because socialism in itself promotes self-management and creates countless jobs. There wouldn't be the closing of small businesses because of larger companies stealing business because of their sheer wealth.

In the end, no one system will work forever, and no ideology is completely correct. The country needs to be all liberal, all the time, so that we can change when need be. The thing wrong with the country is corruption, much like most other large states that failed. The nation needs to realize that there's corruption, get rid of it, and start new. Saying that conservatism and capitalism are necessary for the country to "remain" great is in itself wrong, because again, like I said, the country isn't great.

To all the conservatives out there, I have a few questions. What was America founded on? Why was America formed in the first place? Disregarding all current trends in business, stocks, taxes, political parties, etc., what was the intended purpose of America? Was it privately owned monopolies run by fat cats? Was their goal to be the largest power in the world? If you call yourself a conservative, you should think about what allowed you to have those ideas in the first place. You and I both understand that economics weren't such a large issue, and the amount of resources wasn't a problem, but you need to understand that the constant "need" to create things to make more money is what's taking away resources at an alarming rate and creating these mile wide trash dumps in the middle of the oceans.

Regardless of what you say, the complexity of what the United States has created is its downfall, and everything is convoluted beyond belief. There IS corruption, and there IS inequality, not just because there are rich and poor people. It's because there are people born into wealth who deserve nothing, and people born into poverty who deserve more. That's why capitalism is stupid.

You put me down multiple times. You said that there are better countries than the US and blamed us for basically everything. You're part of the "Blame America First" crowd. You just proved it. The United States is and has been the best country in the world almost since it's inception. You look at that and hate it because of it. You look at the wealthy and think they got that way because they stole it from someone else. You look at the negative side of everything... and that's what liberalism is. It's looking at someone's success and hating them for it and trying to figure out how to steal it. That's all it is. You're trying to figure out a way to get your hand into someone's pocket instead of trying to earn for yourself. I used logic on each of your points to refute it. You can't do the same. All you can do is talk about fairness. Well you have a very different definition of fairness. Fairness to you is stealing from the rich and giving to the poor. You admitted as much. That is punishing the rich and rewarding the poor aka punishing success and rewarding failure. If you're poor you have failed to become employed. Failed to accumulate enough wealth to get across the poverty line, failed to succeed. I realize we're not supposed to "call" them failures, but when you take money from the successful and give it to these people you are punishing success and rewarding..... FAILURE. There is no other way to look at it and you cannot come up with a coherent explanation of any alternative way to look at it. It IS class envy. Over and over again you have tried to make rich people out to be evil, greedy, bad. You don't know any rich people obviously. Most work very hard for what they have, and the rest their relative did and gave it to them. Either way it was earned. It's NOT yours or anyone else's right to try to spend someone else's money. That makes you a crook. That is the definition of thievery. Until the liberals put the "tax" exception into the definition of thievery it was plainly obvious.

 

[Proximity 10+ year member]

I used logic on each of your points to refute it.

BCFosheezy, the one thing I have learned after debating with you over the past year or so is that you couldn't use alphabetical logic to find the definition of the word logic in the dictionary if you never saw one before let alone use it in a debate with another human being.

That is punishing the rich and rewarding the poor aka punishing success and rewarding failure.

So would you rather be rich and "punished" or poor and "rewarded"?

Also, if "punishing success and rewarding failure" would kill our economy, then how did we make it out of the great depression with 80-90% tax rates?

 

[ahole-ic]

BCFosheezy, the one thing I have learned after debating with you over the past year or so is that you couldn't use alphabetical logic to find the definition of the word logic in the dictionary if you never saw one before let alone use it in a debate with another human being.

Just another putdown alex. I know you know you are outclassed when it comes to intelligence.. but this is pathetic.

So would you rather be rich and "punished" or poor and "rewarded"?

If those are the choices we're all going to be poor.

Also, if "punishing success and rewarding failure" would kill our economy, then how did we make it out of the great depression with 80-90% tax rates?

We didn't. WW2 is what got us out. You have lied about this and I proved you wrong on this before so you challenged the wiki FACT. Lol!!

 

[Suicide Bobb 5,000+ posts]

Mods, please rename this thread to "TL;DR"

 

[Suicide Bobb 5,000+ posts]

Mods, please rename this thread to "TL;DR"

 

[Bettr n' Revrse 5,000+ posts]

Made me lol, good one.

Glad to see you promote trolls like this holic...

 

[Bettr n' Revrse 5,000+ posts]

Made me lol, good one.

Glad to see you promote trolls like this holic...

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Glad to see you promote trolls like this holic...

Yep, me saying he made a good joke is me endorsing him, everything he says, and everything he does here. And I guess me agreeing with you means I promote you and everything you do here too.

If you are sensitive to trolls, you might want to rethink your sig pic.

 

[MisterDeadeye 10+ year member]

You put me down multiple times. You said that there are better countries than the US and blamed us for basically everything. You're part of the "Blame America First" crowd. You just proved it. The United States is and has been the best country in the world almost since it's inception. You look at that and hate it because of it. You look at the wealthy and think they got that way because they stole it from someone else. You look at the negative side of everything... and that's what liberalism is. It's looking at someone's success and hating them for it and trying to figure out how to steal it. That's all it is. You're trying to figure out a way to get your hand into someone's pocket instead of trying to earn for yourself. I used logic on each of your points to refute it. You can't do the same. All you can do is talk about fairness. Well you have a very different definition of fairness. Fairness to you is stealing from the rich and giving to the poor. You admitted as much. That is punishing the rich and rewarding the poor aka punishing success and rewarding failure. If you're poor you have failed to become employed. Failed to accumulate enough wealth to get across the poverty line, failed to succeed. I realize we're not supposed to "call" them failures, but when you take money from the successful and give it to these people you are punishing success and rewarding..... FAILURE. There is no other way to look at it and you cannot come up with a coherent explanation of any alternative way to look at it. It IS class envy. Over and over again you have tried to make rich people out to be evil, greedy, bad. You don't know any rich people obviously. Most work very hard for what they have, and the rest their relative did and gave it to them. Either way it was earned. It's NOT yours or anyone else's right to try to spend someone else's money. That makes you a crook. That is the definition of thievery. Until the liberals put the "tax" exception into the definition of thievery it was plainly obvious.

"Blame America First?" You really are an idiot. Did you even read my post? I didn't say anything about hating America. I don't hate America. I hate capitalism and what it's DONE to America. I hate corruption and deceit. If you actually read what I say without your idiotic preconceived notions, you'll see what I'm talking about. I'm actually very patriotic, but I'm not delusional. Saying that America isn't #1 in everything is the truth; saying otherwise is not. You have to convince everyone else that you're Mister America, and when anyone says anything against what you're saying, you have to call them unpatriotic... That's a conservative.

My logic is flawed? Seriously? Fairness to me is giving people what they deserve; making wrong things right. Capitalism is flawed, but it's not every wealthy person's fault. Again, you're taking things out of context. I didn't say every wealthy person is bad. I said corrupt people are bad, which I've stated several times now. I'm talking about the super rich who are making bets on the nation's economy. I don't think every wealthy person has billions of dollars like I talked about. I've never said to take money away from the ones who earned it. There's a difference between wealth and greed, but they often go hand in hand. I've seen what money can do to people, and I've seen how people take advantage of everyone around them to get more money. You're not going to tell me I'm wrong, because I'm not. You keep taking things out of context, and it's really exhausting. I'm getting tired of having to tell you over and over what I'm saying because you twist it around to make me the bad one. How am I the bad guy here? Regardless, liberalism is about freedom and fairness, so it's something I must mention. I made several paragraphs about things other than fairness.

You're putting words in my mouth. Am I somehow the whole government? I'm jealous of the rich? I'm a thief because you're an ignorant, greedy fuck?

Saying poor people have failed is only true if you mean they failed to be born with money. It's unbelievably difficult for poor people to become wealthy, and that's another reason capitalism fails. It's hard to melt steel if you've got a Bic lighter. There's nothing poor people can do to become wealthy. The wealthy stay wealthy, and the poor stay poor. Again, I'm not talking about middle class. I'm talking about the children being born in complexes with two other families in a two bedroom apartment because the super rich took over their neighborhood. There are poor employed people, too. That doesn't mean they're not in poverty. That also doesn't mean it's possible for them to cross the poverty line.

Again, this once great country wasn't and shouldn't be about being the richest person possible. It's about equality and fairness. Everyone is supposed to have the same amount of chance to live happy lives. There's a huge gap in wealth, and it's because capitalism is a failure. I'm not rewarding failure. I'm punishing failure.