Drown out mids and highs?


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I’m gonna be running a sundown saz 3500 at 1 ohm on a 15 inch zv5 in a 1997 Ford Expedition. Right now I have for my mids and highs massive audio 5x7s in all 4 doors and a 1 inch super tweeter in each front door. Up front I’m running at 2 ohms per door and in back I’m running 4 ohms per door. I’m gonna add 2 6x9s in the back to run at 2 ohms on every channel so I’m getting full power to each channel. I have pushing my mids and highs a Rockford prime r300x4. Birth sheet says 423 rms. I didn’t go all out on my mids and highs. Will this be sufficient for the sub and sub amp I have or will I need more?
 
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that sounds like tweeter overload I think the super tweeters will drown out your sub more than anything. As for the midrange performance you'd need to check the sensitivity ratings of those massives. More speakers is not the answer, more sensitive speakers with good amounts of power to them is.
 
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No I was asking if all the bass from the zv5 and the saz 3500 would drown out my mids and highs? The super tweeters are only an inch how would that be too much for that subwoofer and amp? I sat in a Tahoe (almost same size as my Expedition) where dude had a Rockford prime r400-4 and super tweeters bigger than mine and located up front just like mine and he was running a Rockford t3 19 on a t1500bdcp and it all sounded good. And do u think I need a bigger 4 channel amp?
 
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No I was asking if all the bass from the zv5 and the saz 3500 would drown out my mids and highs? The super tweeters are only an inch how would that be too much for that subwoofer and amp? I sat in a Tahoe (almost same size as my Expedition) where dude had a Rockford prime r400-4 and super tweeters bigger than mine and located up front just like mine and he was running a Rockford t3 19 on a t1500bdcp and it all sounded good. And do u think I need a bigger 4 channel amp?
you are using coaxials which have tweeters on them and super tweeters which is the same offense as using multiple different sized subs in a car. You either get cancellation or waves joining together forming nasty sounding peaky response which makes the highs sound really harsh unless you are tone deaf and used to shitty sounding speakers, its not a pleasant experience for most people. You also dont mention any active network crossovers to split the frequencies either.
 
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Don’t have crossovers. Probably should get some. I have 3.3 microfarad caps on the tweeters. That’s it. U r not answering the question though. Is a Rockford 300x4 putting out 423 rms sufficient for a saz 3500 on a zv5 15?
 
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you are using coaxials which have tweeters on them and super tweeters which is the same offense as using multiple different sized subs in a car. You either get cancellation or waves joining together forming nasty sounding peaky response which makes the highs sound really harsh unless you are tone deaf and used to shitty sounding speakers, its not a pleasant experience for most people. You also dont mention any active network crossovers to split the frequencies either.
What u r saying makes sense but at the same time it’s not the same when it comes to tweeters than subs. Highs and lows are completely opposite. If having different size tweeters in a set up would cancel them out or create a nasty bad sound then why would so many coaxial speaker have 2 or 3 different size tweeters on them already? For instance, Like a 1 inch tweeter and a 1/2 tweeter on a 3 way coaxial.
 

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Don’t have crossovers. Probably should get some. I have 3.3 microfarad caps on the tweeters. That’s it. U r not answering the question though. Is a Rockford 300x4 putting out 423 rms sufficient for a saz 3500 on a zv5 15?
you didnt listen to the first comment i posted. your speaker's sensitivity ratings matter the most when it comes to loudness. You didnt state that at all. You can have low sensitivity speakers and have all the power in the world like a 300rms per channel x 4 and it'll still be drowned out. While you can have 50 x 4 amp with really high sensitivity speakers and blow some ear drums.
 

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What u r saying makes sense but at the same time it’s not the same when it comes to tweeters than subs. Highs and lows are completely opposite. If having different size tweeters in a set up would cancel them out or create a nasty bad sound then why would so many coaxial speaker have 2 or 3 different size tweeters on them already? For instance, Like a 1 inch tweeter and a 1/2 tweeter on a 3 way coaxial.
because those are trash gimmicks to lure in noobs. 3 way and 4 way coaxials are absolute gimmicks and signs of a badly designed speaker with low quality tweeters. more is not better. Single quality driver 2 way coaxials are far superior because they arent loaded with fillers but with quality drivers.
 
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you didnt listen to the first comment i posted. your speaker's sensitivity ratings matter the most when it comes to loudness. You didnt state that at all. You can have low sensitivity speakers and have all the power in the world and it'll still be drowned out. While you can have 50 x 4 amp with really high sensitivity speakers and blow some ear drums.
92.5 Db’s per speaker
 
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because those are trash gimmicks to lure in noobs. 3 way and 4 way coaxials are absolute gimmicks and signs of a badly designed speaker with low quality tweeters. more is not better. Single quality driver 2 way coaxials are far superior because they arent loaded with fillers but with quality drivers.
It’s about what sound people prefer. Some people prefer 3 ways and 4 ways over 2 ways and vice versa. But no top notch company would make a speaker that canceled itself out or sounded super bad because of tweeter sizing. That may seem like a good business ploy to u to catch a noobs attention but they want to catch everyone so they do things right. It’s all about preference.
 
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I don’t want to argue semantics or sound preferences. I just want to know if I need more power on my 4 channel amp. If I don’t like the sound I will match up tweeter size on change my configuration.
 

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Again they are different drivers vibrating at different times due to different mass due to different design and they are in different locations. This is all an acoustical hell of a mess for your current setup.
92.5 Db’s per speaker
if they are coaxials, then thats the rating for the tweeter. The mids are usually a lot lower than the tweeter.
It’s about what sound people prefer. Some people prefer 3 ways and 4 ways over 2 ways and vice versa. But no top notch company would make a speaker that canceled itself out or sounded super bad because of tweeter sizing. That may seem like a good business ploy to u to catch noobs attention but they want to catch everyone so they do things right. It’s all about preference.
you think like that because you havent heard a properly done setup yet. No one in their right minds uses 3 ways and 4 ways. If you want loud get a beefy 96 db sensitivity mid, a super tweeter and an active capable head unit, cross everything over on your head unit and for power bridge your rockford into 2 channel mode the mid and get another 2 channel for the tweeters. Time align and play with the EQ points and slopes for a buttery smooth sound signature that is loud enough for several football fields away. You wont even need anything in the rear.
 

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a little glimpse of the chaos of what actually happens with soo many drivers playing the same frequency with different inherent tweeter design, tweeter size and moving mass, resonant frequency etc.. You need to learn more about electromechanical parameters of speakers and how it actually affects the sound vs reading amazon reviews aka the same reviewers that say "oh these boss phantoms blew out my windshield"
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So would I be better off getting a 2 way coaxials that has a 1” tweeter that matches the size of my super tweeters?
 
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Because it’s hard for me to find 5x7s or 6x8s that are really good. Do u know any that are good with 1” tweeters?
 

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So would I be better off getting a 2 way coaxials that has a 1” tweeter that matches the size of my super tweeters?
no, you are better off with dedicated midrange/midbass drivers with high sensitivity ratings and just the super tweets. No coaxials if you plan on using super tweets. Again coaxials have tweets on them super tweets are tweets, they play the same frequencies buy they reproduce those frequencies differently and they are in different locations which is an acoustical hell of a mess.
 

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