Do you feel safer with a gun, or without?

[supraman1379 10+ year member]

Because that small risk could rob you of everything you own, **** your kids and kill your parents. And again, your numbers about in home accidents are from the dumbest gun owners in America. Why not take an accurate sample? But ya know what, you can modify the results of any study to prove what you want. I could get a grant to prove that people who drink milk are more likely to become serial killers simply because most, if not all serial killers drink milk...

You have a point. lol

I also look at it as this...... How would you feel if someone broke into your home, ***** and killed your family? Lets ay you were there but had no gun. could not beat him at hand t hand combat. How would you feel?

I would feel so horrible knowing that I could not stop the person who did it. Thats why I take no chances

Odds are that it would never happen. Butwhat if it did? Ill put two rounds in someones chest before they got close enough to do anything

 

[CanadianDream 10+ year member]

Man...this is ALL guns owners..as sated..the good and the bad ones.

Of course it actually does not include illegal gun owners...you can make up your own mind if they are good or bad owners.

So the much larger risk of having a family member killed or injured should outweigh this small risk?

Here are the stats guys..for the guy thinking I am making this up. These are all just a review of cases reported in the USA, and are ALL in high ranking peer reviewed (i.e. annoymous reviewers...could be pro or anti gun)

If you guys know better controlled, or conducted studies PLEASE let me know, would love to read them.

1. If you have a gun in the house, there is 2.7 times INCREASED chance for murder by a gun when controlled for race, crime rate, criminal history, etc.

(Arthur Kellermann et. al., "Gun Ownership as a Risk Factor for Homicide in the Home," The New England Journal of Medicine, October 7, 1993, pp. 1084-1091)

2. You are 43!!! times more likely to injury you or a member of your house when a gun is in the house then when was is not.

(Arthur Kellermann and Donald Reay. "Protection or Peril? An Analysis of Firearm Related Deaths in the Home." The New England Journal of Medicine, vol. 314, no. 24, June 1986, pp. 1557-60)

3. The use of a firearm to resist a violent assault actually increases the victim's risk of injury and death(FE Zimring, Firearms, violence, and public policy, Scientific American, vol. 265, 1991, p. 48).

Because that small risk could rob you of everything you own, **** your kids and kill your parents. And again, your numbers about in home accidents are from the dumbest gun owners in America. Why not take an accurate sample? But ya know what, you can modify the results of any study to prove what you want. I could get a grant to prove that people who drink milk are more likely to become serial killers simply because most, if not all serial killers drink milk...

 

[saywhat? 5,000+ posts]

will you PLEASE shut the hell up already? your spewing numbers NOONE gives a **** about.

 

[CanadianDream 10+ year member]

How would you feel if the gun you brought into your home... was used against you or your family? Was used in an accident? The point is that THIS risk is far greater then the robber risk.

So by having a gun you are taking a greater chance.

YES you have to take a chance either way, but why not go for the one far less likely to happen.

It is the logical thing to do...not the emotional thing to do which most people are arguing around i.e "I feel safer"

You have a point. lol
I also look at it as this...... How would you feel if someone broke into your home, ***** and killed your family? Lets ay you were there but had no gun. could not beat him at hand t hand combat. How would you feel?

I would feel so horrible knowing that I could not stop the person who did it. Thats why I take no chances

Odds are that it would never happen. Butwhat if it did? Ill put two rounds in someones chest before they got close enough to do anything

 

[CanadianDream 10+ year member]

will you please stop coming into threads and making no contribution. Clearly if this many people responded...there is interest.

If you DON"T like the thread...DON"T post...or DON"T read it....and go on with your life if it bothers you so much.

Truth hurt don't it buddy.

will you PLEASE shut the hell up already? your spewing numbers NOONE gives a **** about.

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

Man...this is ALL guns owners..as sated..the good and the bad ones.
Of course it actually does not include illegal gun owners...you can make up your own mind if they are good or bad owners.

So the much larger risk of having a family member killed or injured should outweigh this small risk?

Here are the stats guys..for the guy thinking I am making this up. These are all just a review of cases reported in the USA, and are ALL in high ranking peer reviewed (i.e. annoymous reviewers...could be pro or anti gun)

If you guys know better controlled, or conducted studies PLEASE let me know, would love to read them.

1. If you have a gun in the house, there is 2.7 times INCREASED chance for murder by a gun when controlled for race, crime rate, criminal history, etc.

(Arthur Kellermann et. al., "Gun Ownership as a Risk Factor for Homicide in the Home," The New England Journal of Medicine, October 7, 1993, pp. 1084-1091)

2. You are 43!!! times more likely to injury you or a member of your house when a gun is in the house then when was is not.

(Arthur Kellermann and Donald Reay. "Protection or Peril? An Analysis of Firearm Related Deaths in the Home." The New England Journal of Medicine, vol. 314, no. 24, June 1986, pp. 1557-60)

3. The use of a firearm to resist a violent assault actually increases the victim's risk of injury and death(FE Zimring, Firearms, violence, and public policy, Scientific American, vol. 265, 1991, p. 48).

That doesn't surprise me one bit. Probably a bunch of liberal-*** college profs just trying to publish something, ANYTHING, to get tenure.

J/K. Really, that sounds about right. Again, that does not apply to me or my offspring.

 

[ballstothewall 10+ year member]

Not quite the same. Video games teach kids it's all fun and games. Guns are very serious, but like drugs and alcohol should be addressed at a young age. On top of that, unless they are playing with the USarmy's simulations (which I got to do and it was awsome. Modified M16's on a projected screen with compressed air for kick back) they dont know how to actually operate, aim, and get good grouping.

No, they thing that can teach how to shoot acurate is range time and training.

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif I can kill some one just as fast of faster with a knife as you can with a gun.

Might want to rethink that statement...

 

[saywhat? 5,000+ posts]

no see your not contributing shit. the question was DO YOU FEEL SAFER with or without. it didnt ask WHY you think your right and were wrong. its a yes or no question. therefore...no i wont leave, but you can.

 

[CanadianDream 10+ year member]

Understand man...you feel you are better trained, more intelligent, etc. and this reduces your risk. No idea...maybe it does.

But at 43x more likely...dam man...you have to be REALLY good. Looked for reputable studies done on the benefits of training, no luck.

Could not possibly access your individual risk...just as you can't access your individual risk of getting robbed. I mean if you are this good...you would have to assume you are good enough to protect your family from a robbery in the first place. So your threat of robbery risk would be much lower as well. So why would you need the gun.

I mean no matter how "good" you are...forget the study...is it not just commone sense a gun in the home makes it more likely to get hurt by one. And you live with this risk 24/7...not on some unbelievably low risk you get home invaded.

My whole point is that the risk that the gun will lead to an injury to a family member or some other innocent person is reduced because I am not an idiot.
I have no doubt that many, even most, people would be safer without a gun in their homes. That does not mean that the risk of an unintended discharge of the weapon is greater than the risk of an in intruder in MY home.

 

[j3bus2k3 5,000+ posts]

Man...this is ALL guns owners..as sated..the good and the bad ones.
Of course it actually does not include illegal gun owners...you can make up your own mind if they are good or bad owners.

So the much larger risk of having a family member killed or injured should outweigh this small risk?

Here are the stats guys..for the guy thinking I am making this up. These are all just a review of cases reported in the USA, and are ALL in high ranking peer reviewed (i.e. annoymous reviewers...could be pro or anti gun)

If you guys know better controlled, or conducted studies PLEASE let me know, would love to read them.

1. If you have a gun in the house, there is 2.7 times INCREASED chance for murder by a gun when controlled for race, crime rate, criminal history, etc.

(Arthur Kellermann et. al., "Gun Ownership as a Risk Factor for Homicide in the Home," The New England Journal of Medicine, October 7, 1993, pp. 1084-1091)

2. You are 43!!! times more likely to injury you or a member of your house when a gun is in the house then when was is not.

(Arthur Kellermann and Donald Reay. "Protection or Peril? An Analysis of Firearm Related Deaths in the Home." The New England Journal of Medicine, vol. 314, no. 24, June 1986, pp. 1557-60)

3. The use of a firearm to resist a violent assault actually increases the victim's risk of injury and death(FE Zimring, Firearms, violence, and public policy, Scientific American, vol. 265, 1991, p. 48).

Again, those are instances of irresponsible and untrained gun owners. Jesus Christ, your letting the moronic sample reflect the whole. I'll do this, I'll agree that for UNTRAINED AND UNEDUCATED GUN OWNERS it is more dangerous to have a firearm in their house than their educated and responsible counter-parts; but thats it. Any parent who takes time to instruct their kids about guns isnt going to have that problem. Education is the biggest problem and yes, the accidents will prove that. No responsible parent, that keeps their weapons locked and hidden is going to have to worry.

 

[supraman1379 10+ year member]

In all reality, it depends on the person. Most people prefer to own a gun and keep it in the house for protection. Others dont. I am one of the people that will stand my ground and not take shit from anyone. Be it a robber, or some guy on the street.

It is the way I was raised. Yea the "statistics" are against me. But I know how to handle a firearm correctly. Therefore I will have a handful in my home.

Either way there is a risk. You have the risk of a family member being injured or killed by the gun that you have brought into the house. But you also have the risk of someone coming into your house and killing someone.

More and more people are getting killed every day. And it is over stupid shit. I would rather take the chance of ownging a gun and keeping it in my house than not take the chance and lose my life or a family members life because someone wants something so bad that they will not just go buy it.

I see that crime is getting worse and worse all over the country. Believe it or not, those statistics will change. Crime will get so bad all over the place that there will be a gun in every house.

 

[CanadianDream 10+ year member]

Go see the quoted studies man....guess you are wrong twice at least tonight.

As to the purpose of the thread...read the first post...the purpose is a post for me. lol. You must be missing some of that there "edumacation". Done with you rant away with your blinders on.

im starting to think your throwing out random numbers that i truly dont give a shit about.

matter of fact i know you are.

 

[ballstothewall 10+ year member]

no see your not contributing shit. the question was DO YOU FEEL SAFER with or without. it didnt ask WHY you think your right and were wrong. its a yes or no question. therefore...no i wont leave, but you can.

I currently do not live in anyplace where I need a gun to feel safe. I own guns, have them in my room, but they are boxed up, unloaded, and not readily accessible.

If I was in a place where I thought I would need a gun, I would most definetly have one. So yes, I would feel somewhat safer with a gun.

 

[CanadianDream 10+ year member]

So you are saying...NO responsible trained household has ever had an accident? Come on.

Without knowing it is just a probable that the trained households has all the incidents vs the untrained. We just don't know...so I make no assumptions and either should you.

But at 43x more likely... either the untrained gun owner is the VAST majority....or there are a few people haveing A LOT of incidents lol. Tell you what as neither of us know this answer, I have some connections in the science community will write the authors if they ever looked at training as a factor. When I know I will let you know and then we can answer that part. Without thet statistics, both of us would have to just guess at the effect of training.

Again, those are instances of irresponsible and untrained gun owners. Jesus Christ, your letting the moronic sample reflect the whole. I'll do this, I'll agree that for UNTRAINED AND UNEDUCATED GUN OWNERS it is more dangerous to have a firearm in their house than their educated and responsible counter-parts; but thats it. Any parent who takes time to instruct their kids about guns isnt going to have that problem. Education is the biggest problem and yes, the accidents will prove that. No responsible parent, that keeps their weapons locked and hidden is going to have to worry.

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

Understand man...you feel you are better trained, more intelligent, etc. and this reduces your risk. No idea...maybe it does.
But at 43x more likely...dam man...you have to be REALLY good. Looked for reputable studies done on the benefits of training, no luck.

Could not possibly access your individual risk...just as you can't access your individual risk of getting robbed. I mean if you are this good...you would have to assume you are good enough to protect your family from a robbery in the first place. So your threat of robbery risk would be much lower as well. So why would you need the gun.

I mean no matter how "good" you are...forget the study...is it not just commone sense a gun in the home makes it more likely to get hurt by one. And you live with this risk 24/7...not on some unbelievably low risk you get home invaded.

I guess I might feel different about it if having a gun in my home had not (at least arguably) saved my *** not once but twice.