Do you feel safer with a gun, or without?

[Frankensuby 10+ year member]

I used to be against concealed weapons, but after yesterday morning, I'm getting something.

I'm starting with foam type mace, and then I'll get a permit to carry concealed weapons.

I'd prefer to have something that will disbale without major injury. I'm thinking of something like a tazer or stun gun. Something that'll put someone down instantly with little or no blood. I'd prefer electric disablement over possibly killing someone.

~Levi

 

[HitManSE 10+ year member]

I used to be against concealed weapons, but after yesterday morning, I'm getting something.

What exactly did happen yesterday morning that changed your mind? Just curious.

 

[Frankensuby 10+ year member]

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=198937

 

[supraman1379 10+ year member]

I used to be against concealed weapons, but after yesterday morning, I'm getting something.
I'm starting with foam type mace, and then I'll get a permit to carry concealed weapons.

I'd prefer to have something that will disbale without major injury. I'm thinking of something like a tazer or stun gun. Something that'll put someone down instantly with little or no blood. I'd prefer electric disablement over possibly killing someone.

~Levi

I understand where youre going with the not wanting any blood shed. But I think of it differently. It varies from person to person. No doubt about that.

But I am the person that does not take any chances when it comes to my life or any one elses that is close to me.

I shoot to kill. I can not make my self hesitate when it comes down to it. I will plant two rounds in someones chest if I have to

I was readin on another site where alot of people are afraid to use buckshot in their house. Mainly because they dont want holes in the walls lol. But I say **** the walls. They can be fixed. A life cant.

 

[CanadianDream 10+ year member]

Not possible man..not possible //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Now I really need my gun as I KNOW the world is ending

Explains some of the stupidity.
Did we just agree on something? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

I understand where youre going with the not wanting any blood shed. But I think of it differently. It varies from person to person. No doubt about that. But I am the person that does not take any chances when it comes to my life or any one elses that is close to me.

I shoot to kill. I can not make my self hesitate when it comes down to it. I will plant two rounds in someones chest if I have to

I was readin on another site where alot of people are afraid to use buckshot in their house. Mainly because they dont want holes in the walls lol. But I say **** the walls. They can be fixed. A life cant.

I never thought people used shotguns b/c they did not want holes in the walls. They use shotguns for several reasons, but the rationale along the lines you are speaking of is that people use shotguns so that there will not be a bullet that travels with enough energy to harm someone on the other side of a wall.

 

[supraman1379 10+ year member]

I never thought people used shotguns b/c they did not want holes in the walls. They use shotguns for several reasons, but the rationale along the lines you are speaking of is that people use shotguns so that there will not be a bullet that travels with enough energy to harm someone on the other side of a wall.

I forget the name of the site that I had read that from. But you are right too.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

i knew a kid who shot this girl with a 7.62mm.. she actually lived because the shots went through her.. and the walls, and the front door of the next apartment.

 

[mattf 5,000+ posts]

I never thought people used shotguns b/c they did not want holes in the walls. They use shotguns for several reasons, but the rationale along the lines you are speaking of is that people use shotguns so that there will not be a bullet that travels with enough energy to harm someone on the other side of a wall.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/theboxotruth.htm

Check that site out. They have done lots of testing on the penetration of different rounds through various things, including sheetrock.

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

People are goofy, lol. It takes about fifteen minutes to repair a wall.

I really like a shotgun for home defense, especially a pump.

I can say from experience that the sound of the pump action is a GREAT deterrent. I really do not WANT to shoot anyone, and that action is like a rattlesnake - one last warning.

 

[mattf 5,000+ posts]

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot1.htm

Specifically this one.

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot1.htm
Specifically this one.

I tried but "weapons" are filtered on this computer. I ought to shoot this m'fer, lol.

Summarize, please?

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

Having some time for study of this fascinating sport, I built the "Box O' Truth".

The purpose of the Box is to test the penetration of various rounds.

People often say, "I think...". "I suppose...", "I bet...", when discussing facts like penetration of ammunition.

There is only one way to know how much a certain round penetrates.

You must shoot it into a medium and see for a fact.

This is the Box.

My shooting buddy, Tman and I took it to the range with a variety of guns and ammo. Here's what we did.

First, we loaded the box with 12 sheets of 5/8 sheetrock, which is also called wallboard in some areas.

Since it takes 2 sheets per wall, this is the thickness of 6 interior walls.

Why twelve? It seemed like a good number and I thought it might stop most rounds.

I was about to learn something.

First, I shot it with my M-17 S&W, .22 LR HP. It penetrated 6 sheets and bounced off the seventh sheet.

That would be the equivalent of 3 interior walls.

And that's only a .22 pistol.

Long story short, we proceeded to shoot several rounds and they all penetrated all 12 sheets and exited.

This is the entrance of the last sheet.

Notice that the XM-193 is tumbling.

We pulled the sixth sheet and that's about where it first tumbled.

We then replaced the sheetrock with something tougher, 3/4 inch Ponderosa Pine boards.

Here I am shooting a .45ACP at the box.

We fired several rounds and saw the following Penetration:

.22 Long Rifle (Wildcats) - 4 boards and bounced off 5th board.

9MM JHP (Federal) - 8 boards, bounced off 9th.

.45ACP (Federal Hydrashocks) - 7 boards, bounced off 8th.

Amazingly, none expanded at all. The nose just filled up with pine.

It was time to get out the rifle.

I shot my 16" AR with XM-193.

Here I am busting the Box.

We don't know how many boards it would have penetrated, as it was still moving after exiting the twelfth board.

Here are the two exits.

Notice, again, that they were tumbling.

 

[crow 10+ year member]

That, too //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

thanks, did they test a shotgun? (if they mentioned it I missed it)