but to the OP's question, its not often that you see a company that crosses that line and when they do, the gear is made by two completely different sections of the company almost as if they could run independently of one another and its usually home equipment mfg's venturing out into car audio. McIntosh, Denon, Nakamichi, Pioneer, Infinity, etc etc all started out ******* 110 volts ac, but those brands have all done well on both sides of the equation. Pioneer has some low end stuff (but what mass production company hasnt?), but id be hard pressed to hate on ANY McIntosh gear