Did I just get OWNED???

[davidfre21 5,000+ posts]

i hope u like super harsh highs with the those infinities //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[Phrozt 10+ year member]

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I'm not entirely sure yet, but there's a very decent chance that I'll be getting an 06 xxx.

I see lots of people tossing names around here, but I also realize that some people play w/a limited budget, and sort of "make do" with what they can.

What I'm really interested in would be which models of amps that are high middle to high end amps that would be best for powering an 06 XXX

EDIT: I have been trying for the last 2 hours to post this on the amplifiers board, but keep getting either a "system hangup," "server connection timeout," or "Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 33554432 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 1024 bytes) in /home/virtual/site1/fst/var/www/html/forum/includes/functions_search.php on line 196"

so, basically I'm rehijacking my own thread because I can't seem to post new ones.

^^^^^^^^^ this is the post I want people to look at

I can't post new topics for some reason, so I had to hijack my old thread.

That, and I wasn't even asking for input on the infinities. I'll trust the people at crutchfield advisor who've tested tons of this stuff. I was asking about the amp. But again, what I want to know is a good amp for the 06 XXX

 

[Phrozt 10+ year member]

I wasn't denouncing their entire line of products, just their comps as that is where I have hands on experience with. I've been in and out of the mobile electronics industry since 1988, I've had tons of experience with infinity comps over the years, and their new stuff is horrible sounding compared to their old school comps. My roomate was an infinity dealer for years, and will back up everything I've said about their comps. They are bottom of the barrel for their respective price range.
Retards that blindly push a certain product just because that's what they were talked into buying by a greedy salesperson really piss me off. Crutchfield isn't going to tell the truth and say "well gee, I've personally found the infinity comps to lack midbass, and sound distorted at moderate to high listening levels". They're in the business to sell the products they buy.

People who own products are of course going to say things like "they rock", " they're the best I've heard" and other half truths. But how many nice sounding, well setup component systems have these people listened to?

On the subject of bandwagon, isn't that the pot calling the kettle? And where have I suggested another specific brand that I am bandwagoning? All I've said is there are much better choices in the same price range other than infinity's. The original question in this thread is "Did I get owned", not "Did I get owned?, please don't be honest in your answer". I shared my experience with the current lines of Infinity component speakers that's it!

I stand by my comment, Infinity comps are bottom of the barrel when it comes to sound quality.

Grow some skin.

A) I had a retailer dealing in Kenwood, Memphis and Rockford HUs/subs/amps who's been the head of the store he's at for years, which has been in operation for even longer say that the high end line of Infinities were good. Did you catch that? He doesn't sell Infinity, but he does sell high end quality equipment, and he agreed with my purchase.

B) Other people endorsing them have also heard a variety of systems, done installs, the works. Yeah, the general opinion is that their highs can be harsh, and their bass is lacking. *NO* one that I've talked to/read about/seen/heard/whatever said anything about their midbass lacking. I'm not looking for low bass in my comps, and I've heard infinity tweeters and they sound how I want highs to sound. The STOCK INFINITY COMPS that I have IN MY CAR RIGHT NOW only crap out at 1 or 2 from the very highest volume, WITH all of the inputs on the equalizer selected as high as possible... so I know that your claim about them crapping out at moderately high levels is complete bullshit.

C) Retailers don't push the components I bought, which means that yes, your opinion of their "comps" boiled down to denoucing all of the comps they put out, and therefore the brand. This is, in turn, being like a bandwagon hopping yuppie that thinks JLs are the pinnacle of everything that is sound and that nothing will ever be better.

D) My topic was about the amp. Not my comps, not the 6x9s. Hence being in the amp forum... so no, I was, in fact, NOT asking for your "honest" opinions about my components.

E) Again.. Infinity at the bottom of the barrel. Right. Your opinion is what is at the bottom of the barrel.

What are the points that I hope you can get out of this post, El Ropo?

- You need to learn how to read

- You need to get your head out of your ***

 

[denim 5,000+ posts]

I am sorry I would not take an MA over PG

 

[Phrozt 10+ year member]

I am sorry I would not take an MA over PG

do you realize that it took 3 damn pages to get a real response other than the first reply? JEEZ!!

Only thing I would ask is again to compare the two models.. not the brand. If there's one thing that I've definately learned so far, is that brands have good and bad models... sometimes just slapping a name on something doesn't make it inherantly good or bad.

 

[denim 5,000+ posts]

do you realize that it took 3 damn pages to get a real response other than the first reply? JEEZ!!
Only thing I would ask is again to compare the two models.. not the brand. If there's one thing that I've definately learned so far, is that brands have good and bad models... sometimes just slapping a name on something doesn't make it inherantly good or bad.

true, but I have learned over time I would rather have a lower end model from a high end company than a high end model from a lower end company,

 

 

can you do me a favor, could you shorten the length of your sig it is the heigth of an entire page

 

[Phrozt 10+ year member]

Yeah.. I was thinking about doing that.... eventually, when I get all my stuff set, I'm going to make a sig (graphic), but for now I'll work on a text workaround

 

[El Ropo 10+ year member]

A) I had a retailer dealing in Kenwood, Memphis and Rockford HUs/subs/amps who's been the head of the store he's at for years, which has been in operation for even longer say that the high end line of Infinities were good. Did you catch that? He doesn't sell Infinity, but he does sell high end quality equipment, and he agreed with my purchase.B) Other people endorsing them have also heard a variety of systems, done installs, the works. Yeah, the general opinion is that their highs can be harsh, and their bass is lacking. *NO* one that I've talked to/read about/seen/heard/whatever said anything about their midbass lacking. I'm not looking for low bass in my comps, and I've heard infinity tweeters and they sound how I want highs to sound. The STOCK INFINITY COMPS that I have IN MY CAR RIGHT NOW only crap out at 1 or 2 from the very highest volume, WITH all of the inputs on the equalizer selected as high as possible... so I know that your claim about them crapping out at moderately high levels is complete bullshit.

C) Retailers don't push the components I bought, which means that yes, your opinion of their "comps" boiled down to denoucing all of the comps they put out, and therefore the brand. This is, in turn, being like a bandwagon hopping yuppie that thinks JLs are the pinnacle of everything that is sound and that nothing will ever be better.

D) My topic was about the amp. Not my comps, not the 6x9s. Hence being in the amp forum... so no, I was, in fact, NOT asking for your "honest" opinions about my components.

E) Again.. Infinity at the bottom of the barrel. Right. Your opinion is what is at the bottom of the barrel.

What are the points that I hope you can get out of this post, El Ropo?

- You need to learn how to read

- You need to get your head out of your ***

Hahah, you are so delusional.

Kappa perfects are decent, but for the money you could of gotten some really nice comps instead. I'm sorry you settled for less. BTW, I never mentioned JL, and don't car for JL products myself.

Edit: Check out my cool new sig line!

 

[Phrozt 10+ year member]

Wow.. you seriously are a dumbass. I don't have kappa perfects, so I didn't spend 300 on them. I have Kappas.. which I spent 150 on.

*****LEARN TO FUCKING READ*****

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and.. just to help you read, I even bolded and raised the font size of the word "like" to reference the fact that I was making a COMPARISON...... NOT saying that you owned JL. so... once again...

*****LEARN TO FUCKING READ*****

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EDIT:

About my 6x9s. If you actually read what I said, I said I'll have nice SQL while waiting on subs. As in, I don't have subs yet (read signature). So.. basically, you're saying I'm stupid because I want a front and rear stage. Because if I didn't have the 6x9s, I'd only have a front stage

Once more... for the retarded kids in the back:

*****LEARN TO FUCKING READ*****

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[Phrozt 10+ year member]

See bolded statement. I think you just contradicted yourself. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

Learn to read... I said while I DON'T HAVE MY SUBS as in.. no existing rear fill.. so yeah.. having a front and rear stage is better SQ than just a front stage.

 

[El Ropo 10+ year member]

Wow.. you seriously are a dumbass. I don't have kappa perfects, so I didn't spend 300 on them. I have Kappas.. which I spent 150 on.

I read that perfectly, and my response was exactly the point I was trying to make. The Kappa Perfects are the only infinity comps worth listening to, and you didn't get them, you got the kappas. Understand now?

and.. just to help you read, I even bolded and raised the font size of the word "like" to reference the fact that I was making a COMPARISON...... NOT saying that you owned JL. so... once again...

Whatever, you're just pissed because you think I dissed your beloved infinity speakers, and are being a compete infant about it.

EDIT:About my 6x9s. If you actually read what I said, I said I'll have nice SQL while waiting on subs. As in, I don't have subs yet (read signature). So.. basically, you're saying I'm stupid because I want a front and rear stage. Because if I didn't have the 6x9s, I'd only have a front stage

Just the fact that you bought 6x9s period proves my point. But then you add that you believe they will provide you with great SQ is hilarious. Oh, and yes, you could of saved the money you spent on the 6x9s, and gotten some kappa perfects, or some other nice sounding comps for the front. This is going to be hard for you to believe, but a great set of front comps and a sub stage will blow away a setup with poor sounding comps in front, 6x9's in the back and a substage. I'm not the only one on this thread who has touched on this fact.

The final answer... Yes you got owned by your own brain. You truly do need to learn to comprehend. You can read, but your comprehension isn't there.

 

[Phrozt 10+ year member]

Here is what you said the guy said and what I read between the lines:
You: "Hi, I want the PG amp" (Me: "Hi, I want the PG Amp")

Him "Uhhhhh..... we are having problems with that amp, but we have an MA Audio amp instead" (Me: If they are having so many problems, why not drop it? The problem they are having is a customer with money in their pocket who wants something they don't have in stock)

They are having problems getting the product. I can't comment on the MA Audio amp cause I haven't used it, but I find the way it was handled a bit suspicious at best, bait and switch at worst.

Juan

Actually, I asked for the PG R Octane 8.04 Amp... so I specified what I wanted.

He said that they do not stock that amp, because a lot of people keep returning it due to problems, and it's costing them more than they are making on it. He said the only time they sell those amps is in bulk to other distributers/retailers. They routinely don't keep them on hand unless for a big order, basically.

 

[Silver 10+ year member]

instead of 6x9's I would of got 6.5's with a mounting bracket.

Ovals put out more distortion.

 

[Phrozt 10+ year member]

Hi there. I have a double degree in Computer Science and Philosophy. Meaning, I have a degree in analyizing statements and arguing. It's Easter sunday, however, so I'm in a good mood. I'll go ahead and give you a free class on why you're wrong:

Why El Ropo is a retard 101

I read that perfectly, and my response was exactly the point I was trying to make. The Kappa Perfects are the only infinity comps worth listening to, and you didn't get them, you got the kappas. Understand now?

Oh really?? lets go back to the statement you're referring to and analyze it.

Hahah, you are so delusional.
Kappa perfects are decent, but for the money you could of gotten some really nice comps instead. I'm sorry you settled for less. BTW, I never mentioned JL, and don't car for JL products myself.

Edit: Check out my cool new sig line!

Let's go with the first part: "Kappa perfects are decent"

I made no reference to actually spending money on Perfects. I specifically said I bought the kappas. I also have the kappas (not the perfects) in my sig.

Perhaps you would say that the reason you menitoned them is because they are actually the only "ok" comp that Inifinity puts out (in your mind, of course). If that were true, that would contradict the next part of your statement:

"but for the money you could of gotten some really nice comps instead."

Again, I did not buy the perfects so, "for the money" has no bearing to anything that I did say, or anything that we are discussing. That part of your statement is set up only if the first part of your statement is true. Therefore, you are saying one of two things.

Either:

"You bought the kappa perfects, which are ok, but you could have spent the money that you used PURCHASING the kappa perfects on something else.

or

"Kappa perfects aren't bad, but you could buy better things with the money"

The first statement applies to the discussion going on (albeit incorrectly on your part)

The second statement is just a satelitte fact that has little to nothing to do with actual facts and states of the situation being discussed (i.e., you might as well have said "I like puddin pops, but ice cream would be a better value")

Whatever, you're just pissed because you think I dissed your beloved infinity speakers, and are being a compete infant about it.

This statement has no value whatsoever. You completely ignore all of the relevant information that I point out and reduce yourself to name calling... which is precisely what you are saying I did... acting immature about it.

Therefore, your statement is useless and hypocritical.

Just the fact that you bought 6x9s period proves my point. But then you add that you believe they will provide you with great SQ is hilarious. Oh, and yes, you could of saved the money you spent on the 6x9s, and gotten some kappa perfects, or some other nice sounding comps for the front. This is going to be hard for you to believe, but a great set of front comps and a sub stage will blow away a setup with poor sounding comps in front, 6x9's in the back and a substage. I'm not the only one on this thread who has touched on this fact.

First of all, Great != nice. Did I say they would give me great SQ? no. Did I say they would replace a sub? no. Did I say they would give me a nice SQ alternative while I'm waiting for a sub? yes.

This also will be the THIRD FUCKING TIME that I point out that I DO NOT YET HAVE SUBS. Agian. Front stage + back stage (of any type) is STILL better than just a front stage.

Your entire argument on my point is completely and utterly invalid. Agian. For the third time.

What can you do now?? Walk away. Why? You are wrong. You have been wrong this entire thread. Every post you make to try to save face, only puts you further behind. You are not going to out argue me. Ever. If I am wrong, I will admit it and move on with my life... but if I know I'm right.. and I am here... I will win any argument against you.

Walk away

Gotta go to church now... byebye kids.

 

[davidfre21 5,000+ posts]

owned?