Dammit to hell........

[MisterDeadeye 10+ year member]

Dude. I am saying, if Lousianas car was searched with no probable cause and they found something illegal in his package, he would get away with no charges. And you started on some bullshit like NAH NAH THEY CAN SEARCH IT NO MATTERZ WHATS

You mad. Why are you talking about what ifs, now? What if Louisiana's car was searched with a half robot half penguin smoking a blunt of meth?

The following posts are what I'm referring to. Are you going to tell me these weren't you?

Totally not true dude. Yeah they don't need a WARRANT to search your VEHICLE but they do to search certain items inside of it such as mail or locked items. It's just how it is.. trust me.. I been to court for this exact reason actually two times. Neither time the cop showed up because they knew they had no case and it was a waste of their time, and it was automatically dropped (small amnt of mj in motor vehicle) always have it locked in my glove compartment

This is where you are wrong. ONLY WITH A WARRANT CAN THIS PART HAPPEN

I'm talking about a regular traffic stop.. Not a federal court indictment

 

[SourDeez 10+ year member]

You mad. Why are you talking about what ifs, now? What if Louisiana's car was searched with a half robot half penguin smoking a blunt of meth?
The following posts are what I'm referring to. Are you going to tell me these weren't you?

Yeah they don't need a WARRANT to search your VEHICLE but they do to search certain items inside of it such as mail or locked items.

This is still true. I dont see why you are saying this isnt true????? THEY NEED A WARRANT TO SEARCH LOCKED **** WITHOUT PROBABALE CAUSE WHY CANT YOU GET THAT THRU YOUR 10 YEAR OLD SKULL

YOU ARE THE ONE WHO BROUGHT UP PROBABLE CAUSE.

Not me. I know about probable cause but I was talking about without it, on a routine search.

GG, you're stupid.

 

[IonRL205 10+ year member]

Dude. I am saying, if Lousianas car was searched with no probable cause and they found something illegal in his package, he would get away with no charges. And you started on some bullshit like NAH NAH THEY CAN SEARCH IT NO MATTERZ WHATS 

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Okay, ******* quote me on that??

Even though its true. They CANNOT search your locked compartment in a routine search without any probably cause.

Here ya go

Totally not true dude. Yeah they don't need a WARRANT to search your VEHICLE but they do to search certain items inside of it such as mail or locked items. It's just how it is.. trust me.. I been to court for this exact reason actually two times. Neither time the cop showed up because they knew they had no case and it was a waste of their time, and it was automatically dropped (small amnt of mj in motor vehicle) always have it locked in my glove compartment

This is where you are wrong. ONLY WITH A WARRANT CAN THIS PART HAPPEN

Edit

well you should have stated that you were saying without probable cause. Saying ONly with a warrant implies they can ONLY search it with a warrant, probable cause or not.

 

[SourDeez 10+ year member]

Here ya go

Thanks for proving me right again.

Yep. They dont need a warrant to search your vehicle.

They do, however, during said search, need a warrant to search locked compartments. Unless probable cause during the search is given.

 

[IonRL205 10+ year member]

Thanks for proving me right again.
Yep. They dont need a warrant to search your vehicle.

They do, however, during said search, need a warrant to search locked compartments. Unless probable cause during the search is given.

Not true.

1. they won't search you unless they probable cause or your consent.

2. If you give them consent, they can search locked things without a warrant or probable cause. Giving them consent is giving them the ability to search your WHOLE vehicle.

 

[SourDeez 10+ year member]

Not true.
1. they won't search you unless they probable cause or your consent.

2. If you give them consent, they can search locked things without a warrant or probable cause. Giving them consent is giving them the ability to search your WHOLE vehicle.

Both of those statements are incorrect.

Police wrongfully search vehicles ALL the time without probable cause

And consent to search the vehicle does not give them the ability to search locked items in the vehicle (separate consent or warrant is needed)

 

[MisterDeadeye 10+ year member]

It's a well known fact that stamped/sealed/labeled domestic mail or packages are not to be opened by anybody unless permission is given by the addressee or sender or with probable cause (weed stickers, smells like weed, says "I CONTAIN COKE")
Opening someones packages is illegal, whether you are a cop or a citizen

First post mentioning probable cause, by the way.

You're retarded. They cant legally search your vehicle unless they either have your consent, probable cause, or a warrant. If they have any of those, the entire vehicle is fair game, locked compartments or not. The legality of the search has only to do with "probable cause" which is flexible. If the policeman truly thinks you have an illegal weapon or drugs in a package IN YOUR VEHICLE, they can take it and open it.
You're right about being able to not give consent for a search. If they have probable cause, they no longer have to ask you. If taken to court, the policeman would have to give his definition of probable cause, and if the court agrees, your appeal would be thrown out.

Can you read the second sentence in this post? It mentions probable cause as one of the ways a policeman can search your car. Then you refuted that by posting this:

This is where you are wrong. ONLY WITH A WARRANT CAN THIS PART HAPPEN

So, there's an obvious contradiction. What you said earlier in the topic doesn't reflect what you're saying now.

 

[MisterDeadeye 10+ year member]

And consent to search the vehicle does not give them the ability to search locked items in the vehicle (separate consent or warrant is needed)

That's simply not true. Sorry.

 

[MisterDeadeye 10+ year member]

Dp.

 

[IonRL205 10+ year member]

Both of those statements are incorrect.
Police wrongfully search vehicles ALL the time without probable cause

And consent to search the vehicle does not give them the ability to search locked items in the vehicle

Like I said, they dont have to tell you if they have probable cause or not. Just cause you think they dont have any, they do. And yes there are times when you get wrongfully searched, but the only legal ways for them to search, are probable cause and consent.

Now, when you give them consent, you give them the ability to search for anything they might look for, such as but not limited to, drugs, weapons or tools/items that were used to commit a crime, or evidence for a crime. Giving that drugs can be in the glovebox, or a handgun, they can search it if it's locked since you gave them the consent to search your car for these items.

 

[SourDeez 10+ year member]

That's simply not true. Sorry.

I HAVE BEEN TO COURT OVER THIS, TWO TIMES. THEY TOLD ME IT IS NOT LEGAL FOR THE OFFICER TO SEARCH MY LOCKED GLOVEBOX WITHOUT MY PRIOR CONSENT OR THEY HAVE PROBABLE CAUSE TO DO SO (such as finding weed elsewhere in the car)

BOTH TIMES I was told this by the Judge and my lawyer.

So, I guess you know more than a Hennepin County Judge about Minnesotas laws, more than my lawyer and more than me.

Best thread ever.

 

[IonRL205 10+ year member]

We have a huge body of case law that prevents the State from infringing on your right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures and ensures the police must follow all the applicable rules when searching your car or person, and all of it is thrown right out the window when you tell the police it is okay to go ahead and look through your car, house, pockets, or body.

To be quite frank, if they had a legitimate legal reason to search your car, they would do it without asking most of the time. Even if they have a legitimate legal reason to search your car, person, or home, if you give them consent to search you give up the opportunity to complain about the search later in court.

If I let the police search my car, new case law suggests that unless my consent is limited, they can search anywhere in the passenger compartment, including hidden places and containers. That means behind the door panels, speakers, or dash area.

This was from a blog of a Texas lawyer. They can search whatever they want when you tell them they can search your vehicle.

http://ahrlawfirm.wordpress.com/2011/01/19/tips-for-avoiding-unreasonable-search-and-seizure/

 

[SourDeez 10+ year member]

So, there's an obvious contradiction. What you said earlier in the topic doesn't reflect what you're saying now.

That part was about US Mail. This is about glove box. two totally different situations.

And each state is different.

 

[SourDeez 10+ year member]

We have a huge body of case law that prevents the State from infringing on your right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures and ensures the police must follow all the applicable rules when searching your car or person, and all of it is thrown right out the window when you tell the police it is okay to go ahead and look through your car, house, pockets, or body.
This was from a blog of a Texas lawyer. They can search whatever they want when you tell them they can search your vehicle.

Who the **** cares about texas? And THAT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT LOCKED COMPARTMENTS. Are you guys straight up posting from the retard ward

yes.. you give the cop permission to search your vehicle and they can search you and the vehicle. NOT THE LOCKED COMPARMENTS.. how many times do I need to say that before you give up and know that I know EVERYTHING and Im ALWAYS right

 

[IonRL205 10+ year member]

Who the **** cares about texas? And THAT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT LOCKED COMPARTMENTS. Are you guys straight up posting from the retard hospital
yes.. you give the cop permission to search your vehicle and they can search you and the vehicle. NOT THE LOCKED COMPARMENTS.. how many times do I need to say that before you give up and know that I know EVERYTHING and Im ALWAYS right

This whole time I've been talking about texas you retard. And re-read my post. I added more.