components without subwoofer

[lsufan778 10+ year member]

I have around a $300 budget for a great pair of 6.5" or bigger comps to be run without a subwoofer. I would like to get as much of a full range sound and I can since I don't have the space for a decent sub setup.

I was looking at the Pioneer TS-C720PRS which can be had for $250 shipped off eBay.

Here is a link to them:

http://www.caraudiomag.com/testreports/0612_caep_pioneer_premier_ts_c720prs/index.html

I've also though about Rainbow SLC's, but have decided to go a different route.

Any other suggestions?

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[Fusion_FREAK 10+ year member]

A friend of mine has them, and I love them. LOTS of midbass, and super clear sound. Too expensive for me right now though. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

 

[tcguy85 10+ year member]

staying passive or could you go active?

 

[lsufan778 10+ year member]

staying passive or could you go active?

I could definitely go active if need be.

I have two 2-channel amps. I guess I could daisy chain them together and use one for highs and the other for mid/midbass. Of course I'd need crossovers too. Do you think this would work? I've never done an active setup before.

 

[redcalimp5 10+ year member]

I'd start out with the Pioneer TS-C720PRS set passive, first, if you've never done an active setup. Enjoy it for a while, and do some more research on what it takes to go active with your gear and what's involved, and then if you decide you still want to try it down the road, you'll be more educated on how to go about it.

Going active can be really frustrating for some people if you rush into it without knowing what you're really getting into. The Pioneer TS-C720PRS set has gotten great reviews, even run passive. Might as well enjoy it for a while, and change it up later if you feel like it.

 

[tcguy85 10+ year member]

i was gonna recommend active cause that would let you grab a pair of 8's and a pair of tweeters that can be crossed low so you can run the 8's.

if you wanna go sub-less and still reach down low while in a moving car you'll need at least 8's.

 

[lsufan778 10+ year member]

I'd start out with the Pioneer TS-C720PRS set passive, first, if you've never done an active setup. Enjoy it for a while, and do some more research on what it takes to go active with your gear and what's involved, and then if you decide you still want to try it down the road, you'll be more educated on how to go about it.
Going active can be really frustrating for some people if you rush into it without knowing what you're really getting into. The Pioneer TS-C720PRS set has gotten great reviews, even run passive. Might as well enjoy it for a while, and change it up later if you feel like it.

Sounds like good advice. Do you think I'd be happy with this set w/o a subwoofer. I'm definitely not a bass head, but I'm still not fond of a system with absolutely no low end. I would be pushing around 200 watts aside so they should get down, I presume?

 

[redcalimp5 10+ year member]

Sounds like good advice. Do you think I'd be happy with this set w/o a subwoofer. I'm definitely not a bass head, but I'm still not fond of a system with absolutely no low end. I would be pushing around 200 watts aside so they should get down, I presume?

Yeah man, from what I've been reading on the forums about those, for their price and for being a passive 2 way set, they're hard to beat comparatively, especially in the midbass department. I've actually thought about trying a set of just those mids before, but I'm stuck on my Rainbow gear. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

The really important thing to remember if you get this set and you don't run a sub(s) is to deaden the HELL outta your doors.....this will make a huge difference in the midbass output.

 

[SSS 18734 5,000+ posts]

What kind of vehicle is this going in? An infinite baffle with a pair of 8's or a 10 could also be an option.

 

[lsufan778 10+ year member]

i was gonna recommend active cause that would let you grab a pair of 8's and a pair of tweeters that can be crossed low so you can run the 8's.
if you wanna go sub-less and still reach down low while in a moving car you'll need at least 8's.

Not sure if I could fit 8's w/o a good bit of modification and/or kickpanels. I'm considering adding a sub later though, just wanted to get the front stage straightened out for now. Do you think those ID OEM 6.5" mids will get down?

Yeah man, from what I've been reading on the forums about those, for their price and for being a passive 2 way set, they're hard to beat comparatively, especially in the midbass department. I've actually thought about trying a set of just those mids before, but I'm stuck on my Rainbow gear.
The really important thing to remember if you get this set and you don't run a sub(s) is to deaden the HELL outta your doors.....this will make a huge difference in the midbass output.

Yeah I'm definitely going to be doing a good deal of deadening no matter which route I go. Raamat is around $120 bucks for a roll of 62.5 ft^2. More than 30 ft^2 per door will probably be overkill, but we'll see. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

What kind of vehicle is this going in? An infinite baffle with a pair of 8's or a 10 could also be an option.

This will be going in a 2001 Tacoma double cab. There is absolutely no space behind the back seat. The most I could possibly do would be a pair of very shallow 8's.

However...

At the moment I have two 2-channel amps that do 45wrms x 2 @ 4ohm and around 180wrms bridged @ 4ohm. So if I do comps and a sub, I'll be way underpowered w/o another amp. But if I run passive comps, I can daisy chain the amps and give each side 180wrms (I think you can do this).

If I go active, I'll only be giving the mids 45wrms and the highs 45wrms.

Side question: Does anyone know if the daisy thing is possible with the front stage. Will I run into any problems powering the speakers this way?

Whew.

 

[tcguy85 10+ year member]

Not sure if I could fit 8's w/o a good bit of modification and/or kickpanels. I'm considering adding a sub later though, just wanted to get the front stage straightened out for now. Do you think those ID OEM 6.5" mids will get down?

Yeah I'm definitely going to be doing a good deal of deadening no matter which route I go. Raamat is around $120 bucks for a roll of 62.5 ft^2. More than 30 ft^2 per door will probably be overkill, but we'll see. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

This will be going in a 2001 Tacoma double cab. There is absolutely no space behind the back seat. The most I could possibly do would be a pair of very shallow 8's.

However...

At the moment I have two 2-channel amps that do 45wrms x 2 @ 4ohm and around 180wrms bridged @ 4ohm. So if I do comps and a sub, I'll be way underpowered w/o another amp. But if I run passive comps, I can daisy chain the amps and give each side 180wrms (I think you can do this).

If I go active, I'll only be giving the mids 45wrms and the highs 45wrms.

Side question: Does anyone know if the daisy thing is possible with the front stage. Will I run into any problems powering the speakers this way?

Whew.

i won't have mine for a week, but from what others are saying they dig pretty deep.

 

[lsufan778 10+ year member]

i won't have mine for a week, but from what others are saying they dig pretty deep.

I guess i could do these active with a Seas Neo tweet. That guy on diymobileaudio.com is selling the ID's for $90 shipped?

 

[tcguy85 10+ year member]

yea, they would work well with a lot of tweets. but yea, the seas neo's are good and inexpensive.

hessdawg is selling them there and has a FS thread on here as well.

 

[lsufan778 10+ year member]

yea, they would work well with a lot of tweets. but yea, the seas neo's are good and inexpensive.
hessdawg is selling them there and has a FS thread on here as well.

Thanks for the help, much appreciated.

 

[dsblk93gt 10+ year member]

My OZ 180cs 6.5 woofers really sounded awesome without a sub, getting around 100rms per side in a well sealed door.