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[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

He does that a lot don't he. He likes to stick linear polls up his ***

Wtf is a linear poll? Coming for a guy that says sq drivers are snake oil. I refuse to argue with you until you come with the fundamental knowledge.

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

Papermaker getting fucking ROCKED ITT.. HAHAHAHAOHOHEHEHAHAHAHA!™

That brain of a spider money. Someone who cant even make one good joke..

 

[adulbrich 5,000+ posts]

Wheres the quote? I deal with voltages up to 4160. I've built 220 volt dc backup banks for critical systems on drilling platforms.

All this shit about "just use a transformer"

I will never take a single thing you say seriously.

Because you asked:

Just use a Transformer

So let me get this right higher voltage means higher electrical efficency? so even though you have the same resistance(wire)and the wire only accounts for for less than 1%losses in the system how is the higher voltage more efficent? And how are the batteries more efficent?

Lack of a power supply increases efficiency.

Are we talking in the amp itself or the entire electrical circuit?

Both. The amp uses the large dc input as it's rails.

link?

care to explain in a-little more detail? your saying that the efficiency of both the power supply and amps are greater with no trade off?

There is no power supply. Jeez do some research. Not enabling you.

by power supply i'm talking the battery bank money..i'm trying to learn. that's all.its your car do what you want.

I still don't understand why it sounds better or why it's better

There is no "power supply" section on the amp board.
It's more efficient because it doesn't have to step up voltage for the internal rails. Also cheaper to produce the amp vs similar 12v versions because they don't have to include the power supply section.

You'd think with all your supposed "electrical knowledge" that it would be an easy concept for you to grasp.

Still waiting for pics of that "monster" sub you supposedly have //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

Transformers are quite efficent upwards of 95%Don't worry about me.. focus on your Build.

Electrical: Energy Efficiency - High-Efficiency Copper-Wound Transformers Save Energy and DollarsI'm not going to argue that the technique theyes use isn't more efficient because it is the power supplies are generally very efficient as well upwards of 80% when properly designed.

There's really no reason to run an amp and a half for mono a properly designed amp can put out just as much power at 4 ohm and be much more efficient it won't be cheap but it is possible..

Just a quick example look at the ARC Audio KS line which is not even a Class D it's upwards of 75% efficiency..

There's no real reason to run less than one ohm, it can be achieved at 4 ohms, then you admit it wouldn't be cheap.
You contradict yourself here.

The reason people wire low is to get more power after rise. Damn right it won't be "cheap" to get high power at 4 ohms....

.....unless you're running high voltage power supplies like this thread is about //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

He's so blinded by AC power it's insane, literally does not grasp the concept of going from DC to AC. He's missing a big piece of the puzzle, maybe even his entire left hemisphere. At least a frontal lobe

You're an idiot. You admitted that you don't know how they worked, yet were still arguing about it.

I am done "finding examples" for you

 

[Rmsanger 10+ year member]

Party time

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mnm0FILNb5M

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

All this shit about "just use a transformer"
I will never take a single thing you say seriously.

Because you asked:

You're an idiot. You admitted that you don't know how they worked, yet were still arguing about it.

I am done "finding examples" for you

I don't see where I was wrong! I was asking questions simply based on there was claims with no proof!

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

All this **** about "just use a transformer"

I will never take a single thing you say seriously.

Because you asked:

Quote Originally Posted by bassfreak View Post

So let me get this right higher voltage means higher electrical efficiency? so even though you have the same resistance(wire)and the wire only accounts for for less than 1%losses in the system how is the higher voltage more efficient? And how are the batteries more efficent?

I never got a answer why? Because the efficiency is identical only thing is voltage is raised and current is lower. losses in the wire are irrelevant if you use the proper wire.

Quote Originally Posted by SINTORMAN View Post

Lack of a power supply increases efficiency.

Let me explain since your to stupid to realize the amp HAS TO HAVE SOME KIND OF POWER SUPPLY.

In this case it's the battery bank that is the "power supply" so to speak. WHAT YOU FAILED TO UNDERSTAND is that the "power supply" still has losses. To charge that power supply you need and ACTUAL power supply. IE an alternator or generator. SO when you factor in the fact that the battery bank has to be charged and you have to A use a generator B use an alternator made for those voltages and INVERT it to DC your going to get losses in efficiency just like ANY OTHER POWER SUPPLY. let me refer you to an amp that is "very efficient" by your definition.

T15kW - 15,000 Watt 4-Ch. Hybrid SQ/SPL Amp | Rockford Fosgate®

Basically the same concept without the stupid large battery bank can be used on a standard charging system and is simply superior in sound reproduction.

You are confusing component efficiency for total system efficiency. Do you understand that or do I need to get into more detail?

Are we talking in the amp itself or the entire electrical circuit?

Quote Originally Posted by SINTORMAN View Post

Both. The amp uses the large dc input as it's rails.

Quote Originally Posted by bassfreak View Post

link?

Quote Originally Posted by bassfreak View Post

care to explain in a-little more detail? your saying that the efficiency of both the power supply and amps are greater with no trade off?

Quote Originally Posted by SINTORMAN View Post

There is no power supply. Jeez do some research. Not enabling you.

Quote Originally Posted by bassfreak View Post

by power supply i'm talking the battery bank money..i'm trying to learn. that's all.

its your car do what you want.

Quote Originally Posted by bassfreak View Post

I still don't understand why it sounds better or why it's better

Quote Originally Posted by adulbrich View Post

There is no "power supply" section on the amp board.

It's more efficient because it doesn't have to step up voltage for the internal rails. Also cheaper to produce the amp vs similar 12v versions because they don't have to include the power supply section.

You'd think with all your supposed "electrical knowledge" that it would be an easy concept for you to grasp.

Still waiting for pics of that "monster" sub you supposedly have

I explained this above.

Its not cheaper you have to buy 20 batters to supply the **** thing.. retards!

You're going to get losses in charging the power supply. Just like having a huge *** bank charging @ 12 volts.

The amplifier might be more efficient but to get your cars power supply to charge at those levels your going to get losses.

its very basic electrical. I've linked you several sources that power-supplies are very efficient in nature when designed to be. transformers are typically 95+% efficient. The information is there but you choose not to look but to regurgitate what you hear..

You're an idiot. You admitted that you don't know how they worked, yet were still arguing about it.

I am done "finding examples" for you

At least I can admit it. After doing my reasearch and understanding the topologly i choose not to use it..I have my own ideas on how I can adequately design a system. It's a great idea and will work perfectly fine but I'll stick to my design..

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

1 Quote by bassfreak

Transformers are quite efficient upwards of 95%

Don't worry about me.. focus on your Build.

2 Quote Originally Posted by bassfreak View Post

Electrical: Energy Efficiency - High-Efficiency Copper-Wound Transformers Save Energy and Dollars

I'm not going to argue that the technique they use isn't more efficient because it is the power supplies are generally very efficient as well upwards of 90% when properly designed.

3 There's no real reason to run less than one ohm, it can be achieved at 4 ohms, then you admit it wouldn't be cheap.

You contradict yourself here.

4 The reason people wire low is to get more power after rise. **** right it won't be "cheap" to get high power at 4 ohms....

.....unless you're running high voltage power supplies like this thread is about

Quote Originally Posted by So Low View Post

5 He's so blinded by AC power it's insane, literally does not grasp the concept of going from DC to AC. He's missing a big piece of the puzzle, maybe even his entire left hemisphere. At least a frontal lobe

1. FACT you can look it up.

2. Oh wait i gave you a link but apparently your to stupid to look it up?

3. my point here is the amps are optimized for output and efficiency not the other way around.

4. yea cause the amp is cheap but the power supply is non existent and its going to cost an Arm and a Leg to do so as well as 6k in batteries. What an excellent argument.

5. Like i said they guy can't even charge the system. he has to plug it up. hes not even qualified to compete since the "power supply" isn't in existence. oh I don't know what invertors are or what they do. lol

 

[adulbrich 5,000+ posts]

I don't see where I was wrong! I was asking questions simply based on there was claims with no proof!

Let me explain since your to stupid to realize the amp HAS TO HAVE SOME KIND OF POWER SUPPLY.
In this case it's the battery bank that is the "power supply" so to speak. WHAT YOU FAILED TO UNDERSTAND is that the "power supply" still has losses. To charge that power supply you need and ACTUAL power supply. IE an alternator or generator. SO when you factor in the fact that the battery bank has to be charged and you have to A use a generator B use an alternator made for those voltages and INVERT it to DC your going to get losses in efficiency just like ANY OTHER POWER SUPPLY. let me refer you to an amp that is "very efficient" by your definition.

T15kW - 15,000 Watt 4-Ch. Hybrid SQ/SPL Amp | Rockford Fosgate®

Basically the same concept without the stupid large battery bank can be used on a standard charging system and is simply superior in sound reproduction.

You are confusing component efficiency for total system efficiency. Do you understand that or do I need to get into more detail?

I explained this above.

Its not cheaper you have to buy 20 batters to supply the **** thing.. retards!

You're going to get losses in charging the power supply. Just like having a huge *** bank charging @ 12 volts.

The amplifier might be more efficient but to get your cars power supply to charge at those levels your going to get losses.

its very basic electrical. I've linked you several sources that power-supplies are very efficient in nature when designed to be. transformers are typically 95+% efficient. The information is there but you choose not to look but to regurgitate what you hear..

At least I can admit it. After doing my reasearch and understanding the topologly i choose not to use it..I have my own ideas on how I can adequately design a system. It's a great idea and will work perfectly fine but I'll stick to my design..

1. FACT you can look it up.
2. Oh wait i gave you a link but apparently your to stupid to look it up?

3. my point here is the amps are optimized for output and efficiency not the other way around.

4. yea cause the amp is cheap but the power supply is non existent and its going to cost an Arm and a Leg to do so as well as 6k in batteries. What an excellent argument.

5. Like i said they guy can't even charge the system. he has to plug it up. hes not even qualified to compete since the "power supply" isn't in existence. oh I don't know what invertors are or what they do. lol

1. You meant power supply on the amp

2. There is no "power supply" section on the amp

3. Losses with the battery power supply are minimal. Rail voltage doesn't need to be boosted, which makes it MUCH more efficient //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

4. That's not a lot of batteries. There are lots of 12v systems (like mine) that have more than 16 batteries

5. Then you don't need to buy HO alternators. Golf cart battery chargers are much cheaper than my alternators.

6. The amp is cheaper than anything CLOSE to that amount of power that runs off 12v because they don't need to include a power supply section on the board.

7. Power supplies in amps are NOT simply transformers. They convert DC to AC before the transformers are used to boost rail voltage

Nobody likes you, so please fuck off //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Nobody cares about what you have to say because you can't spell it half the time //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

1. The fact remains the amp needs a power supply and there isn't one in the convental sense. Your still going to get losses when you design one.. I told him an easy way to do so already.

2. No **** sherlock I was asking the questions becasue apparently noone considered that 220 volts off just a battery bank isn't going to cut it without some type of charging system. And once you design a charging system for it it's going to cost an arm and a leg and it's going to be just as efficent as a properly designed 12 volt.system.

3. Bullshit. Transformers are nearly 95%+ efficent. Power-supplies are nearly 90% efficent. Efficency is maybe 5% greater over the half bridge when used correctly.. proof of said gains or your talking out your ***..

4. Let me explain something. When you have drivers that are efficent and we'll designed 5kw can get you in the high 150 no sweat.





156+ with a stock electrical system 6 120$ 12s and 2 jbl 1200.1s

So yea um. That system is highly efficent. Lol

5. It's not a legal system. Who wants to have to have an external charger?

6 like I said by the time you build the power supply a real power supply you could get a good sounding power 12 volt system and do the same numbers if your system is properly designed.

7. Lol. Ok. Fact remains most power supplies are 90% efficent and you don't need 16 batteries to run them. Don't get mad because you can't break 160 with 30kw.. lol

 

[lew-e 10+ year member]

7. Lol. Ok. Fact remains most power supplies are 90% efficent and you don't need 16 batteries to run them. Don't get mad because you can't break 160 with 30kw.. lol

I did lol at this

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[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

You got fucking OWNED like an illegal immigrant trying to pay taxes.
AND THAT'S NOT EVEN A JOKE.

HAHAHAHAOHOHEHEHAHAHAHA!™

Rek't

Only person that got owned is him buying 30 batteries 3 21" wardens 3 7kws and hitting low 150s.

I was doing low to mid 150s at the head rest with 1500 invested in my system over 10 years ago.. lol the system I posed was maybe 1300 he did 156-157 dash and low 150s head rest too. Lol

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

You got fucking OWNED like an illegal immigrant trying to pay taxes.
AND THAT'S NOT EVEN A JOKE.

HAHAHAHAOHOHEHEHAHAHAHA!™

Rek't

When retards speak...

 

[adulbrich 5,000+ posts]

1. The fact remains the amp needs a power supply and there isn't one in the convental sense. Your still going to get losses when you design one.. I told him an easy way to do so already.
2. No **** sherlock I was asking the questions becasue apparently noone considered that 220 volts off just a battery bank isn't going to cut it without some type of charging system. And once you design a charging system for it it's going to cost an arm and a leg and it's going to be just as efficent as a properly designed 12 volt.system.

3. Bullshit. Transformers are nearly 95%+ efficent. Power-supplies are nearly 90% efficent. Efficency is maybe 5% greater over the half bridge when used correctly.. proof of said gains or your talking out your ***..

4. Let me explain something. When you have drivers that are efficent and we'll designed 5kw can get you in the high 150 no sweat.





156+ with a stock electrical system 6 120$ 12s and 2 jbl 1200.1s

So yea um. That system is highly efficent. Lol

5. It's not a legal system. Who wants to have to have an external charger?

6 like I said by the time you build the power supply a real power supply you could get a good sounding power 12 volt system and do the same numbers if your system is properly designed.

7. Lol. Ok. Fact remains most power supplies are 90% efficent and you don't need 16 batteries to run them. Don't get mad because you can't break 160 with 30kw.. lol

I talked to James in person at a show running two high voltage Banda 30k's with 16 batteries. He said listening to it every day, he only had to charge the bank once a month. They are crazy efficient. He was giving demo's all day no problem.

Yes you have to charge batteries, but it's not as often as you'd think

Who cares if it's "legal" for competition? I don't compete

People who properly maintain large 12v battery banks float charge their batteries anyways with an external charger.

The charger for high voltage banks isn't that expensive. Look up golf kart battery chargers. You can clamp them on in several sections to charge

I did lol at this

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Yeah, it didn't meter well.

What have you metered?

Only person that got owned is him buying 30 batteries 3 21" wardens 3 7kws and hitting low 150s. I was doing low to mid 150s at the head rest with 1500 invested in my system over 10 years ago.. lol the system I posed was maybe 1300 he did 156-157 dash and low 150s head rest too. Lol

Riiight

That's what you had, but for some reason you don't have that anymore....

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

Dude don't even have a car. Talking so much ****. Bought a China build house POS that fell apart in a week. Rarely has a clue about what he's talking about. Waste of a mouth breather