Building complex system and questions about Zapco, ED 7K.V2 subs and Alpine processor

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Planing to use Alpine IVA-505 headunit with Bluetoth phone, ipod and nav, XM and rear video camera integration

Will have it goint opticaly out in to Orion DEQ-30 EQ opticaly out to 2 Alpine H400 crossovers to feed my 3 way Dynaudio System 360 via Zapco C2K 2.5x (50wpc x4)runing high and mids and C2K 6.0x(124wpc x2) running 8" midwoofers(part of Dynaudio 360), and runing 2 way MB Quart(one of the cheaper once) in rear via some inexpencive 4 or 2 channel amp( i do not mind running stock passive x-overs on rears) and 4 ED 7K.V2 subs(they fit exactly in 4 mounting holes in my rear deck) feed by McIntosh Mcc444 pushing 220w in to each one.

Goal of the system - clear and loud - SQ only system with nice tunefull base - not the boomy and loud one. I plan to run 7K.V2 in infinite baffle without enclosure behind them but if needed will build small seald enclosure for them. Thinking about running stiffenig cap - probably 5fd and 4g wire in to junction box. System does not have a single passive or analog X-Over - all X-Over done digitaly and all individual drivers a ran by it's own amp. Trying not to take any trunk space - and this configuration would just fit on the rear wall and some side space. Not taking any space from trunk is a reason why I'm not going with bigger dedicated subs.

Couple questions - what do you think of this setup?

Most important - would Alpine h400/Orion DEQ30 perform well by today SQ standards? I could EQ/XOver/time delay system quite well with RTA, but how's the quality of sound compared with more modern units such as INPRINT or H701? I looked at them, but looks like they would not let me to x-over front 3 way and subs as well as run rear. I still belive you need some rear fill in the car envioment.

I would like to replace 3 older boxes wit one modern digital processor I just do not know wich one could do what I need?

Ampwise - what do you think of Zapco C2K for SQ? I did get hell of the deal on this 2 units so they would cost me not much more then 2 Reffernce units on e-bay, and I know Zapco C2K is their top(most expencive units) but maybe something else would be better diving tweeters/mids/midwoofer for SQ?

Headunit- I know 505 is more of the MM /Integration powerhouse and not the SQ unit but I need 2din unit to replace my factory COMMAND system and I would like to still have all integration in one place. Need digital optical out - so so far I do not see an alternative to 505 - but maybe I'm wrong?

Navigation I'm torn between Blackbird II and NVE-N872A later would cost me about $400 extra on e-bay but I was told it's really good unit(or actualy what BlackBird is a POS) //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif))))

Subs - I realy do not want to build big box in the trunk and not looking for a monster bass - no extraggetion - but looking to get very clean, well defined and tight punchy bass. Will be happy with 30-35Hz as a bottom of my range. How much better would I get by building small seald enclosure instead of doing infinite baffle/rear deck install? Any other good 6.5/7" mini sub drivers?

And again my goals are to get greate SQ system for listening mostly to the rock/pop/vocals in a car. A lot of the parts came from my previos car or some greate deals I had - which should explain strange chice of components //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Car I'm installing in to is 2001 AMG E55 which right now going through bunch of performance and suspension mods to be turned in to the trully custom car - I'm trying to make the car(driving, interior and entertaiment) to fit my prefferences like a tailored suit //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Any suggestions are trully appreciated

Thanks

Leon

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[helotaxi 5,000+ posts]

As far as SQ goes, the older stuff if fine. For the sake of simplicity, I'd swap that older stuff for a 701. It will do everything that you're looking for from the DEQ and the H400s except work the rear fill. The easy answer on that is to ditch the rear fill because it will only detract from the great sound that you should be able to get from the Dyns up front.

I'd find better subs. JL 6W3v3 or CDT ES-06+ would be my choices. Either of those would benefit from a sealed box. You can still put them up in the rear deck just build the enclosure under them.

 

[Crimson Boom 10+ year member]

running around 1k watts to 4 subs isn't exactly going to be quiet you know....

 

[helotaxi 5,000+ posts]

Having 1kw available for subs isn't the same as using it. That's one of the biggest differences between SQ guys and guys who want to be loud. Loud guys try to use as much power as they can, SQ guys have more power than they will ever use.

 

[Crimson Boom 10+ year member]

Having 1kw available for subs isn't the same as using it. That's one of the biggest differences between SQ guys and guys who want to be loud. Loud guys try to use as much power as they can, SQ guys have more power than they will ever use.

Word, as far as a SQeer substage goes, I don't see the point in having more than 2-300 RMS IF that much even with deadner etc.

 

[helotaxi 5,000+ posts]

Scott Buwalda won at the highest level with a little over 1800w available on the subs...it's called having headroom. You may only ever use 3-400w but having the extra there keeps the amps from even approaching clipping and ensures that there is plenty of dynamic range available.

 

[Crimson Boom 10+ year member]

Makes sense, still SQueers FTL lol

 

[helotaxi 5,000+ posts]

As opposed to SPLosers?