Box by Belunt

General marine grade plywood (or Baltic birch, apple ply, or any other void-free plywood) is superior for subwoofer use. The reason: stiffness.Subwoofer cabinets WILL talk - they will vibrate. The key is to keep the cabinet from vibrating in the frequency range of the subwoofer. There's two ways to do it: push the resonance of the cabinet above the pass band of the driver, or push the resonance of the cabinet below the pass band of the driver.

To push the resonance above the pass band, we need to make the cabinet stiff. Stiffen something, and it resonates at a higher frequency. In this case, plywood is MUCH better than MDF. Plywood is simply stiffer than MDF, and that's why it is used for sub-flooring, cabinetry bases, and other strength-critical uses. It is the lamination of cross-oriented layers of wood that gives you the strength. No matter how you try to bend it, some of the wood fibers are in tension, which is where they are strongest.

To push the resonance below the pass band, we need to make the cabinet heavy. Add mass to something, and it resonates at a lower frequency. This is where MDF is better - it is much denser than plywood, and as such will take less thickness to lower the resonant frequency of the box. Of course, making a wall thicker also increases the stiffness, which runs slightly counter to the addition of the mass; the resonance still lowers, but not as fast as one would expect.

Overall, it's easier to make a box sufficiently stiff to not resonate below 300 Hz, than it is to make a box heavy enough to not resonate above 15 Hz. Bracing and stiff wall materials raise the resonance - bracing ADDS stiffness (as well as physical strength to hold up a driver, for instance).

Additionally, we need to consider the internal loss. As sound passes through material boundaries, it loses energy. The more layers, and the greater the changes in density, the more energy is lost. MDF is a VERY homogeneous material - it has little internal loss. Plywood, on the other hand, has multiple layers and has considerably higher internal loss. So acoustic waves will be better attenuated by plywood than by MDF.

And in the automotive world it is, IMHO, superior to MDF in two other significant ways: weight and water resistance. Less weight is always good - better gas mileage, easier to build/move, etc. And plywood doesn't swell and turn to mush, like MDF. In fact, marine grade plywood is VERY water resistant. No problems living in damp conditions in car trunks, or getting rained on occasionally.

Overall, if you don't mind paying an extra $25 a sheet for the material, I'd go with a quality void-free plywood (marine grade, Baltic birch, apple ply) over MDF, especially for subwoofers in cars. Lots of benefits, and only one real drawback (the slightly higher cost).

(tell that to Dan Wiggins)
Anything you buy at lowes or home depot is not void free. I've seen it myself as I've done the plywood thing multiple times.

Tommy, I didn't mean to instigate anything. I'm merely trying to help people save money from this bandwagon that's going around. It seems as though people keep using it without understanding why others are using it when both materials have been around forever. Please don't kill me //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

 
Anything you buy at lowes or home depot is not void free. I've seen it myself as I've done the plywood thing multiple times.
Tommy, I didn't mean to instigate anything. I'm merely trying to help people save money from this bandwagon that's going around. It seems as though people keep using it without understanding why others are using it when both materials have been around forever. Please don't kill me //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif
I told you to take it elsewhere. Do us both a favor and keep it off my threads from now on.

And people do save money by coming to me, they get what they want for excellent prices. Any past customer would agree. Most are extremely surprised when I quote them since they thought going into it that my work would cost much more. So don't worry about saving people money and worry more about your customer service, telling forum members "none of you have any idea as to what you're talking about" isn't what I would call treating anyone with respect.

 
Anything you buy at lowes or home depot is not void free. I've seen it myself as I've done the plywood thing multiple times.
Tommy, I didn't mean to instigate anything. I'm merely trying to help people save money from this bandwagon that's going around. It seems as though people keep using it without understanding why others are using it when both materials have been around forever. Please don't kill me //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif
Must you be reminded of what your enclosures use to look like? SMFH

Get aids.....

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i agree with belunt he built my box almost the same and im soo happy with it i dont think i would choose another box if u dont like what the guy does who gives a flying whoop keep it to yourself i think ur the only negative person in this thread about his boxes(pv audio)

 
I told you to take it elsewhere. Do us both a favor and keep it off my threads from now on.
And people do save money by coming to me, they get what they want for excellent prices. Any past customer would agree. Most are extremely surprised when I quote them since they thought going into it that my work would cost much more. So don't worry about saving people money and worry more about your customer service, telling forum members "none of you have any idea as to what you're talking about" isn't what I would call treating anyone with respect.
I've complimented your construction multiple times and I still feel it's excellent. I never talked bad about the work in general, only the choice of wood, which you seem to understand; thus making my point irrelevant. My only thought was that you too had taken up the bandwagon. No offense meant man, my emotions get the best of me some time. And I said that they knew nothing because they said that shit>MDF when that's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.
 
I've complimented your construction multiple times and I still feel it's excellent. I never talked bad about the work in general, only the choice of wood, which you seem to understand; thus making my point irrelevant. My only thought was that you too had taken up the bandwagon. No offense meant man, my emotions get the best of me some time. And I said that they knew nothing because they said that shit>MDF when that's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.
This coming from the man that built these.... ROFL

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This coming from the man that built these.... ROFL
This has nothing to do with you whatsoever. If you wish to make fun of me (which really makes fun of yourself since all of those were built 5 years ago when I was 13-14), visit the lounge.
 
This has nothing to do with you whatsoever. If you wish to make fun of me (which really makes fun of yourself since all of those were built 5 years ago when I was 13-14), visit the lounge.
Right, those are what the boxes you use to sell looked like less then 2 years ago, would you like to try again dipshit?

 
Right, those are what the boxes you use to sell looked like less then 2 years ago, would you like to try again dipshit?
Right. Considering you know me better than myself even, you would know if you looked back into the home audio section where i first posted those that they were some of my first speaker attempts. But, instead of doing that, you decided to make up your own decisions on what really happened. Considering all of them are sitting in a home, do you think it really makes sense that I would be selling anything that looks like that? Use your brain, if it hasn't atrophied from lack of use.

 
Right. Considering you know me better than myself even, you would know if you looked back into the home audio section where i first posted those that they were some of my first speaker attempts. But, instead of doing that, you decided to make up your own decisions on what really happened. Considering all of them are sitting in a home, do you think it really makes sense that I would be selling anything that looks like that? Use your brain, if it hasn't atrophied from lack of use.
Your car audio boxes looked the exact same what point are you trying to get at? Anyone with half a brain can use the search function to come to the same conclusion that I have that you know jack shit, you're previous builds prove this greater then I ever could.

 
Your car audio boxes looked the exact same what point are you trying to get at? Anyone with half a brain can use the search function to come to the same conclusion that I have that you know jack shit, you're previous builds prove this greater then I ever could.
All I can do is smile. So here: //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
 
All I can do is smile. So here: //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
Why is that, just finish shaving your pits and have a fresh tingling sensation?

anyone besides me? cuts down on sweat and chafing while lifting //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101589

 
I am a member of the birch bandwagon. I rep the 7ply. Good work as usual.
What tooth blade do you use to make your cuts? I use a 60 tooth but I still get some shredding on the edges.
You need a far finer blade, maybe 120. They make plywood blades as well, but they're ****ing horrible. They just hack at the wood and cause kickback like a horse shot in the balls.

 
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