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[Captain_Ahab 5,000+ posts]

I'm not sure if I read this or am just making this up, but ryan, you said you've been in the gym for a year now, correct?
Not to sound like a douche...but maybe you should try to change your routine before taking anything.

I work out with 2 other guys regularly, both very good friends. One is 5'4", 155 lbs, and recently 1RM benched 230, and 1RM deadlifted 275. He's been working out for approximately a year now. My other friend has been there just as long as him, he's 5'11" about 260lbs, and can 1RM bench 280ish.

I've been back in the gym after a 3 year hiatus for 2 1/2 months, and my 1RM bench is already up to 240. I'm 6'1, and about 240lbs. I've gotten my deadlift up to 315x6, and a 1RM of around 360. Squat is up to 295x6, and 1RM of about 320. Curl is at around 110x6, and that's with some bad wrist tendinitis.

Whatever you want to take is your choice, but my personal belief is that if you need to take something illegal, to enhance your results, then you're just cheating yourself.

I've not really read much of this thread, so if I missed anything that's been touched on already, my fault.

I was thinking the same thing..He is awfully big not to be putting up anymore... And a year in the gym will do a lot for you.

 

[fatryan 5,000+ posts]

Hooked on phonics?

Never heard of it?

You would not know less than 5% BF unless we starved your fat @$$ for 6 months.

no, i wouldnt know what its like to have it, but neither would you. id love to see some rock solid proof that you had 2% BF cause thats like unheardof and if you could even SURVIVE a day at 2% BF, i highly doubt you could even get there. Stop trying to impress everyone, pro BB cant even get that low.

I am glad that even you see your last comment for what it was.

Since you are so combative, you don't seem to be understanding what I was saying...if you really want to SEE gains, you need to lean down. You already stated that you have "big" legs naturally. So why not develop them into somethign more muscular? Muscle burn more calories than fat, and though you cannot (supposedly) target-burn fat, look at a guy who runs (any running- distance, sprints, etc.) a lot...they can have very muscular legs that can be very large and still well-defined,ut they can still have undeveloped or even fat upper bodies. If you want to SEE the best gains, you'd throw in cardio to allow your muscular gains in the upper body to show through. Even doing high-rep work should get your legs to develop some tone and possibly reduce their overall size and add to their muscularity. If your legs are smaller and still muscular, they will make your upper body look bigger- especially if you are engaged in mass-building activities for your upper body.

Again, you are not reading my posts. i have said over and over again that im not into the cut look. i dont care if i can SEE my gains or not. i just want the strength. what dont you understand about that?

This is my OPINION, but if I ever WAS going to juice, it would ONLY be to break a plateau. Why would you possibly rob your body of its natural gains, perhaps sabatoging your long-term ability to develop your body naturally? I have lifted with guys who would cycle after 4-6 weeks of a plateau that they reached naturally. If I ever WAS going to do it, that woudl be the time. IMO, it seems stupid to get in the way of the significant gans that most people see in their first 6-9 months of natural, high-intensity training when they first get serious.

your right, thats YOUR opinion...

If your weight is any indicator, you lack the moticvation and self-control needed to maintain any gains that you might see throuh steroids, once you go off of them.

well my weights not an indicator. and like stated in the beginning of the thread, i kept all my gains after my first cycle. cause i know what to do in PCT

For ME, it is cheating, because I went from 110 lb. weakling to ~150-160 and benching 2x my body weight naturally. It took time and a lot of hard work, but even a single cycle of Andro that I took in 1999 felt to me like cheating. Like I said, I have lifted with guys who have done it, and they make big gains...and when they go off, I catch up as they fall back.

clearly your friends dont know what theyre doing

You keep calling him a "pro" but I read the thread- he never claimed to be a professional. He says that he worked/works in the field, but never that he was a "pro."

like i ALREADY SAID i believe he called himself pro in another thread. i def saw it somewhere. and all the other dumbass shit he says is him implying that he IS a pro.

Look, I bashed you for being a big guy, because if I had your frame to start with, I'd be benching 500 lb or more. Why? Because I took a non-muscular 110 lb. 5'5" frame and made it what I have. For that reason, I could probably do the same if I was 5'7" or 5'10" or 6'3" if I was starting from that point. And you clearly HAVE NOT done that with your frame, so I have to assume that I know more about what I am talking about than you do- or that you MAYBE have the knowlege but are not significantly motivated to actually do what it takes to really get yourself in shape.

i dont doubt that you know your shit, nor have i ever said i know more than your of even know a shitload about lifting. i know more than the average joe, but im far from anything pro. and you right, i could def get much bigger natuarally, but the thing your not understanding, and neither are many other people is that i dont care. why has everyone placed this rule on roids that you must wait until you plateau from years of lifting to use roids? i understand if your taking something thats seriously gonna fvck you up, but either way then your serioucsly fvcking your body. and furthermore, i tried it, i got blood tests. and with the precautions that i took, my BP, lipids, thyroid, and liver all tested fine. no indications of me even juicing...thats my reason. after everything ive read about roids from the pros and after my blood test, i came to the conclusion that the dangers of roids are often drastically exaggerated. now im not saying you cant seriously hurt yourself or even kill yourself. im saying when taking propery and in moderation, it no worse for you than many of my other daily routines.

 

[fatryan 5,000+ posts]

I'm not sure if I read this or am just making this up, but ryan, you said you've been in the gym for a year now, correct?
Not to sound like a douche...but maybe you should try to change your routine before taking anything.

I work out with 2 other guys regularly, both very good friends. One is 5'4", 155 lbs, and recently 1RM benched 230, and 1RM deadlifted 275. He's been working out for approximately a year now. My other friend has been there just as long as him, he's 5'11" about 260lbs, and can 1RM bench 280ish.

I've been back in the gym after a 3 year hiatus for 2 1/2 months, and my 1RM bench is already up to 240. I'm 6'1, and about 240lbs. I've gotten my deadlift up to 315x6, and a 1RM of around 360. Squat is up to 295x6, and 1RM of about 320. Curl is at around 110x6, and that's with some bad wrist tendinitis.

Whatever you want to take is your choice, but my personal belief is that if you need to take something illegal, to enhance your results, then you're just cheating yourself.

I've not really read much of this thread, so if I missed anything that's been touched on already, my fault.

you did seem to miss the many parts where i said i know i dont need roids, but i want to take them. just read my last post, it explains it

 

[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

Like I said man it's your body and your life, not mine.

But personally, I'd be much more satisfied to get the results I want, knowing I did it naturally.

 

[fatryan 5,000+ posts]

Like I said man it's your body and your life, not mine.
But personally, I'd be much more satisfied to get the results I want, knowing I did it naturally.

well thats just you. i really could care less how i got them

 

[Captain_Ahab 5,000+ posts]

Fatryan has the porch monkey mind set..

They always want the easy way out.

 

[phenryiv1 10+ year member]

You know, before your last tyrade, I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. Now- not anymore.

Never heard of it?

I know that it is. I was asking why you would refer me to it when clearly, other than a few typos I cannot see why I'd need it. Ironic that you suggest it when you cannot seem to figure out how to capitalize the letter "i" in your posts. Try this: hold the shift key, press the "i" then release both.

no, i wouldnt know what its like to have it, but neither would you. id love to see some rock solid proof that you had 2% BF cause thats like unheardof and if you could even SURVIVE a day at 2% BF, i highly doubt you could even get there. Stop trying to impress everyone, pro BB cant even get that low.

Like I said, I have pics at 4% when I was in the OFF season. All that I know is that by calipers and by electrostatic impedence measurement, I came up under 2%. I'll post the pics @ 4% later, but the poses are artsy-fartsy.

Again, you are not reading my posts. i have said over and over again that im not into the cut look. i dont care if i can SEE my gains or not. i just want the strength. what dont you understand about that?

You really want to know what I don't understand? How someone who claims to be into lifting for the strength cannot bench more lb. per lb. in bodyweight than you can. There I said it- I am calling you a pu$$y because you are as weak as a little girl, considering your size.

When you bench even 150% of your bodyweight- on the juice or off- then you APPROACH my league. I rep 150% of my bodyweight FOR 12 REPS. You do it once and you can consider yourself "strong" on that lift. I can CURL 90% of my own bodyweight. Try that, just once. I squat 150% of my bodyweight for sets of 15. I deadlift the same.

You want strength? WORK for it. Pu$$y.

well my weights not an indicator. and like stated in the beginning of the thread, i kept all my gains after my first cycle. cause i know what to do in PCT

Big gains, eh? Still weak. Obviously, your weight IS an indicator, because you are still a fat slob who is not willing to put in the work at the guy to reach your own potential naturally before resorting to artificial means. Your weight indicates that you are not willing to put in the effort needed to take a naturally large frame and to develop it to its potential- which means that you have substantially lowered your potentil. You are only as strong as your mind- which apparently is not that robust.

clearly your friends dont know what theyre doing

It is clear that you are too much of a pu$$y to be strong.

i dont doubt that you know your shit, nor have i ever said i know more than your of even know a shitload about lifting. i know more than the average joe, but im far from anything pro. and you right, i could def get much bigger natuarally, but the thing your not understanding, and neither are many other people is that i dont care. why has everyone placed this rule on roids that you must wait until you plateau from years of lifting to use roids? i understand if your taking something thats seriously gonna fvck you up, but either way then your serioucsly fvcking your body. and furthermore, i tried it, i got blood tests. and with the precautions that i took, my BP, lipids, thyroid, and liver all tested fine. no indications of me even juicing...thats my reason. after everything ive read about roids from the pros and after my blood test, i came to the conclusion that the dangers of roids are often drastically exaggerated. now im not saying you cant seriously hurt yourself or even kill yourself. im saying when taking propery and in moderation, it no worse for you than many of my other daily routines.

My response it simple. Do what you want. Just don't expect to get respect when you take that route.

 

[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

My response it simple. Do what you want. Just don't expect to get respect when you take that route.

Line of the day.

 

[phenryiv1 10+ year member]

i really could care less

COULDN'T! IT IS COULDN'T you phuckstain. I've watched you fumblephuck your way through that phrase since the first page. If you want to use it as a comeback, get it right!

And you told ME to try hooked on phonics...get a 3rd grade English book, you moron...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/graduate.gif.d982460be9f153bb54e5d4cb744f6ae8.gif

 

[fatryan 5,000+ posts]

You know, before your last tyrade, I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. Now- not anymore.

I know that it is. I was asking why you would refer me to it when clearly, other than a few typos I cannot see why I'd need it. Ironic that you suggest it when you cannot seem to figure out how to capitalize the letter "i" in your posts. Try this: hold the shift key, press the "i" then release both.

Like I said, I have pics at 4% when I was in the OFF season. All that I know is that by calipers and by electrostatic impedence measurement, I came up under 2%. I'll post the pics @ 4% later, but the poses are artsy-fartsy.

You really want to know what I don't understand? How someone who claims to be into lifting for the strength cannot bench more lb. per lb. in bodyweight than you can. There I said it- I am calling you a pu$$y because you are as weak as a little girl, considering your size.

When you bench even 150% of your bodyweight- on the juice or off- then you APPROACH my league. I rep 150% of my bodyweight FOR 12 REPS. You do it once and you can consider yourself "strong" on that lift. I can CURL 90% of my own bodyweight. Try that, just once. I squat 150% of my bodyweight for sets of 15. I deadlift the same.

You want strength? WORK for it. Pu$$y.

Big gains, eh? Still weak. Obviously, your weight IS an indicator, because you are still a fat slob who is not willing to put in the work at the guy to reach your own potential naturally before resorting to artificial means. Your weight indicates that you are not willing to put in the effort needed to take a naturally large frame and to develop it to its potential- which means that you have substantially lowered your potentil. You are only as strong as your mind- which apparently is not that robust.

It is clear that you are too much of a pu$$y to be strong.

My response it simple. Do what you want. Just don't expect to get respect when you take that route.

ok im done talking to you, your acting like a fvcking child. your sitting here comparing me like this is some competetion. congradu-fvckin-lations, you can lift 2x your weight. i dont fvcking care. i dont care if you can lift more than me, i dont care what you fvckin do. im not competeing against anyone or anything. im not trying to be a pro strength trainer. im just lifting FOR STRENGTH. its simple, you moron. I dont care what you think about how much weight i can lift. just cause im lifting "for strength" doesnt mean im devoting my whole life to becoming the strongest guy in the world. get your head outta your ***
p.s.-unlike you, im not trying to get e-respect. i dont fvcking care what anyone here thinks about what i do

 

[fatryan 5,000+ posts]

COULDN'T! IT IS COULDN'T you phuckstain. I've watched you fumblephuck your way through that phrase since the first page. If you want to use it as a comeback, get it right!
And you told ME to try hooked on phonics...get a 3rd grade English book, you moron...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/graduate.gif.d982460be9f153bb54e5d4cb744f6ae8.gif

go take your midol

 

[phenryiv1 10+ year member]

im just lifting FOR STRENGTH.

Well, if that is the case, you need to ask for the last year of your life back. You have failed at that task. Go ask for a refund.

unlike you, im not trying to get e-respect. i dont fvcking care what anyone here thinks about what i do

Good. Because juicing just to get numbers like yours won't get it.

 

[phenryiv1 10+ year member]

go take your midol

Go eat another twinkie.

 

[fatryan 5,000+ posts]

Well, if that is the case, you need to ask for the last year of your life back. You have failed at that task. Go ask for a refund.

Good. Because juicing just to get numbers like yours won't get it.

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[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

Both of you shut up.

If you want to argue, go at it. Stop with the horseshit or I'll give ya both breaks.