Bobybuilders: Come hither

[fatryan 5,000+ posts]

I can't believe I have read through this entire thread.. I went from being a fat *** to a thoroughly built guy lifting weights off and on, not too seriously, for about 3 years.. Mainly in the summer then quit come hunting season..Have been lifting serious the past year now with only 1 break (1 month when I had mono), and I am amazed at my physique.. It ain't nothing special, but its a huge improvement..I drink 2 ON protein shakes a day and take 2 teaspoons of creatine gluconate..

Why do people like fatryan always want to easy way out??Its ridiculous.. he thinks he knows everything there is to know about lifting..well if he did, why isn't he putting up the numbers he should and in better shape?? I literally laugh my *** off reading this thread... There is no need for all these gimmicks muscle magazines try to sell you... Arguing with platestacker, who takes BB more seriously than anyone here, is retarded..You just started fatryan..I have recapped your post and you almost state the same thing over and over..Your bench went up 50 pounds in a month with some supplements..All that shows to me is that your a noob when it comes to weight lifting.. I went up 30 pounds in a month when I first started not taking shit.. Now it takes me 6-9 months to go up 30 pounds..Would all these bullcrap supplements help me? Possibly... But why take the easy way out??

I don't know where I am going..But this thread just honestly pisses me off.

hold on. where did i say i know everything? or that im a pro? thats right, i DIDNT. i even said that i dont claim to be a pro by any means in this thread you jackass. and just cause i want to use roids, does that mean i want the easy way out? ha ha. thats YOUR perception of roids. im not competeing, nor do i think roids are cheating in any way (for non-comp). my body isnt your body, so why dont you STFU and let me do what i want. im not asking anyones permission or approval. im doing what i want to do. ive done my research and made a choice. you wanna call me ignorant, go ahead, just stay the fvck outta my thread.

 

[fatryan 5,000+ posts]

Wow, I'm done with this thread. It's just like all the other "bodybuilding" forums with a bunch of know-nothing kids following some hyped up crap they seen in a magazine. Banned... ohh no, it must be the real thing huh? No. Methylated steriod.? Not even close. Side effects? None. Because it's not a steroid. Like I've said before, If you don't have to pay hundreds of dollars for it from a 300lbs bald guy and have to inject it into yourself, don't wast your time. And don't waste my time trying to prove to me that it's worth a shit, because it's garbage. Keep on doin what your doin with your little 30 sets of bench press and your curls for the girls. I will continue to stand back, laugh, and shake my head, and take home the trophies and medals.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=265704&highlight=superdrol

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=294063&highlight=superdrol

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=285458&highlight=superdrol

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=283873&highlight=superdrol

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=203124&highlight=superdrol

pay particular attention to the last one

just thought id put my money where my mouth is:nutskick:

 

[fatryan 5,000+ posts]

http://blog.bodybuilding.com/deserusan/2006/10/26/superdrol-supplement-of-the-year-or-most-dangerous-supplement-of-the-year/

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75362

some more

 

[marleyskater420 5,000+ posts]

Wow, I'm done with this thread. It's just like all the other "bodybuilding" forums with a bunch of know-nothing kids following some hyped up crap they seen in a magazine. Banned... ohh no, it must be the real thing huh? No. Methylated steriod.? Not even close. Side effects? None. Because it's not a steroid. Like I've said before, If you don't have to pay hundreds of dollars for it from a 300lbs bald guy and have to inject it into yourself, don't wast your time. And don't waste my time trying to prove to me that it's worth a shit, because it's garbage. Keep on doin what your doin with your little 30 sets of bench press and your curls for the girls. I will continue to stand back, laugh, and shake my head, and take home the trophies and medals.

Look, you have trained a lot longer than me, have been around gear longer than me, but your education of the latest things seem to be a bit off. Is superdrol a steroid? Yes. Is it as powerful as real gear? No. Its an oral, so it is more toxic, and will not be as potent.

You of all know there are levels of steroids in a sense. Do I know much about steroids?Hell no. But there are less-potent steroids than others. These new orals would be put into that "less potent" category.

Do you know a lot? Yes. Do you know everything you think you know? No. Do you need to realize new things have come out that you don't know about? Yes.

Hahaha... you are not understanding what Im talking about. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif I am not saying your "numbers" diden't go up. I am saying that it's in your head that this crap your taking is some super anabolic god's gift to men steriod. And when you start taking it, you think "I'm on steriods now, so I must be getting stronger". 1 rep going up 50lbs in a month? You must really be a noob to lifting, hence why you are trying to prove to a powerlifting/bodbuilding vet that some little "pro hormone" crap isen't a waste of money. All these hundreds of companies with their hundreds of "pro hormone" supplements, they LOVE kids like you. They thank you for keeping them in business and telling all your other friends about them.

I think both fatryan and other people do realize that what they are taking is not the latest and greatest. However, they do realize what they are taking is powerful(something is always better than nothing) and will make an effect.

50lbs to the bench in a month is pretty good, even for n00b status. Superdrol has been used by many and it "preferred" in a sense to injectables.

I am saying I am knowledgeable for many reasons. I've had first hands experence on a few stacks and compounds. I ran a dirty rat gym for a few years were only world class powerlifters and bodybuilders worked out there. I've personally trained many heavy advanced gear users. Superdrol is a joke my friend. Any gains you get off of that "pro hormone" garbage is all in your head. Trust me, I also personal trained and worked at many other gyms as well. I've seen hundreds of kids using them among other supplements. Those companies LOVE kids like you all that eat their stuff up. If you read in the magazines or some 17 year old kid says it will get you huge, it's gotta be true huh?

Real gear will always be better than anything you can take orally. Just how it works. No one is arguing with you about that. What we are arguing about is you saying these compounds do nothing. These things do do something.

Do most people taking these compounds know absolutely nothing and are complete newbs?Oh yeah.

Are there people who take these and maximize the potential of the compound and actually see results because they know what they are taking? Yes.

 

[fatryan 5,000+ posts]

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/rea/prosteroids-and-prohormones.htm

http://www.steroidlaw.com/steroid-law-48.html

http://www.uscg.mil/D17/legal/Military%20Justice/military%20justice%20links.htm

^^^read #3

i rest my case

 

[fatryan 5,000+ posts]

Look, you have trained a lot longer than me, have been around gear longer than me, but your education of the latest things seem to be a bit off. Is superdrol a steroid? Yes. Is it as powerful as real gear? No. Its an oral, so it is more toxic, and will not be as potent.
You of all know there are levels of steroids in a sense. Do I know much about steroids?Hell no. But there are less-potent steroids than others. These new orals would be put into that "less potent" category.

Do you know a lot? Yes. Do you know everything you think you know? No. Do you need to realize new things have come out that you don't know about? Yes.

I think both fatryan and other people do realize that what they are taking is not the latest and greatest. However, they do realize what they are taking is powerful(something is always better than nothing) and will make an effect.

50lbs to the bench in a month is pretty good, even for n00b status. Superdrol has been used by many and it "preferred" in a sense to injectables.

Real gear will always be better than anything you can take orally. Just how it works. No one is arguing with you about that. What we are arguing about is you saying these compounds do nothing. These things do do something.

Do most people taking these compounds know absolutely nothing and are complete newbs?Oh yeah.

Are there people who take these and maximize the potential of the compound and actually see results because they know what they are taking? Yes.

thank you, marley //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif. i dont know why this guy is being so stubborn about this when NO ONE agrees with him. but anyway, id just like to correct you about when you implied orals arent real gear. yes, 99% of the legal stuff are oral, but what about d-bol, winstrol, or anavar? those are orals and are definatly steroids. orals are just worse on your liver and kidneys in general (if im not mistaken). injectables tend to have less serious side effects, and therefore are more popular. also, orals can give insane gains (i.e. d-bol), but d-bol alone will do nothing for you. you need to be stacking it with injectables such as test to even get results.

 

[marleyskater420 5,000+ posts]

thank you, marley //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif. i dont know why this guy is being so stubborn about this when NO ONE agrees with him. but anyway, id just like to correct you about when you implied orals arent real gear. yes, 99% of the legal stuff are oral, but what about d-bol, winstrol, or anavar? those are orals and are definatly steroids. orals are just worse on your liver and kidneys in general (if im not mistaken). injectables tend to have less serious side effects, and therefore are more popular. also, orals can give insane gains (i.e. d-bol), but d-bol alone will do nothing for you. you need to be stacking it with injectables such as test to even get results.

True,very true. When I said orals I meant the typical PH style.

I have heard of people drinking their Winni injections.

The only real downside I see to gear besides all the obvious sides is that each time you need to use more of it to get the same results...chasing the dragon if you may..

I only have so much money.

 

[01xtreme 10+ year member]

Wow this thread blew up. I am not going to come on here and say that I know everything about steroids, but having worked in a gym for the last 3 or so years has taught me alot. Do the PH's work?...barely. Do they have Side effects?...absolutely, but then again there are chances you take with anything. If taken responsibly you dont have to worry as much about PH's, but when taken that way you are going to see less than optimal results. When taking the real gear you have to be that much more concerned with the side effects you will encounter, but you will see much better results. As for the guy who says taking steroids is "taking the easy way out" you need to get your head out of your ***. If you actually saw how many people are "taking the easy way out" you would be shocked. In our gym alone you could pick a hand full of people out of our crowd and odds are most of them are doing steroids, and a few of these people who do it are doctors. What does this mean? I dont know, but just taking steroids doesn't mean you start getting bodybuilder huge, and retard strong. You still need to work your *** off in order to see any results, unless the results you are looking for is getting fat because taking steroids and doing half assed workout is really not going to get you the huge results you obviously think steroids will give. I am not trying to say everyone is wrong, but alot of the information given in this thread is BS. This is the only post i plan on maing in this thread, so once I leave...feel free to start tearing my opinion apart, and flaming me.

 

[fatryan 5,000+ posts]

Wow this thread blew up. I am not going to come on here and say that I know everything about steroids, but having worked in a gym for the last 3 or so years has taught me alot. Do the PH's work?...barely. Do they have Side effects?...absolutely, but then again there are chances you take with anything. If taken responsibly you dont have to worry as much about PH's, but when taken that way you are going to see less than optimal results. When taking the real gear you have to be that much more concerned with the side effects you will encounter, but you will see much better results. As for the guy who says taking steroids is "taking the easy way out" you need to get your head out of your ***. If you actually saw how many people are "taking the easy way out" you would be shocked. In our gym alone you could pick a hand full of people out of our crowd and odds are most of them are doing steroids, and a few of these people who do it are doctors. What does this mean? I dont know, but just taking steroids doesn't mean you start getting bodybuilder huge, and retard strong. You still need to work your *** off in order to see any results, unless the results you are looking for is getting fat because taking steroids and doing half assed workout is really not going to get you the huge results you obviously think steroids will give. I am not trying to say everyone is wrong, but alot of the information given in this thread is BS. This is the only post i plan on maing in this thread, so once I leave...feel free to start tearing my opinion apart, and flaming me.

you know-nothing ****!!! j/k //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif i agree with pretty much everything you said. i got great results from PH's, but like said before im sure its user dependent. and your def right about the amount of people who juice. it shocked me to find out. back home i go to a gym that is like 90% senior citizens lol and alot of the guys in the free wieight room (even some of the old heads) are juicers. and ive been to other gyms where there are a TON of juicers, not to mention any names *cough*LA Fitness*cough* //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif plus my old gym which is owned by a former Mr. Universe. Everyone at that gym is a fvcking monster

 

[sundownz Pro Seller]

I've tried M1-T twice and 1-AD once. I have also tried 4 different cycles of juice. I am as advanced as your gonna get with as much knowledge as possible when it comes to Powerlifting/Bodybuilding. So I'm not some average kid that doesen't know what he's doing. The M1-t and 1-AD was a total waste of money, giving me no real gains. Its all in your head. They average Joe hears that it is a steriod and all of a sudden thinks he is so much stronger and bigger, that is why some people think they work. Nothing compares to real gear, nothing you can ever order legally online or from a store. Period.

The problem is that you think I disagree with you about M1T and PHs *******, I really don't. I'm glad to hear that you have done your research, thats pretty rare in the younger BB community. Thumbs up to you for that.

Simply since M1T didn't work for you doesn't make it not a steroid, ineffective for everyone, or not harsh on the body. Fact is, alot of guy -- guys that I know personally -- have gained 20 lbs on a 4 week M1T cycle. Most of them DO lose at least 15 pounds of that, though, as the shut-down from M1T is terrible and alot of it is water retention due to it's androgenic nature (as I'm sure you know) no matter what you do on PCT. I agree, PHs were not and are not extremely effective.

What you are wrong about is some of the OTC steroids out there now. Superdrol is as potent as any real gear out there. It IS real gear... it is simply methylated masteron -- masteron is an EXTREMELY potent injectable and they made it a metyl to make it orally bio-available and technically "legal."

Around fifteen lean pounds in 3 weeks on 10mg daily on average, if not more... the only way it lags real gear is that you can only do extremely short cycles as it is ALOT harsher on your lipids than any real gear that I know of. A friend of mine put on 15 pounds on a 3 week 10mg cycle a year ago and hasn't lost a single pound of that... he asked my advice on PCT, diet, and training so he did it properly.

Three weeks is the rational limit on a Superdrol cycle though, IMHO. Real injectable gear can be ran much longer since it is alot LESS harsh on the body as you know -- so I agree again, real gear has the advantage, especially for safety (alot of people have a hard time believing that). But to state that some of this stuff won't put weight on you, whether real gear is advantageous or not, is a mistake. This new stuff is NOT a PH... it is straight oral steroids.

To make sure we are clear... I totally agree with you that a real injectable is a better choice for a steroid cycle, if one is so inclined to do one. They are less harsh on the body, especially the liver, and provide more lasting gains since the cycle duration is longer. BUT... this new OTC stuff is potent as hell and should be viewed as 100% steroid... as it most defiantly is.

 

[saj21187 10+ year member]

This thread should not be on this board.

Platestacker you my friend are simply an attention starved know it all. I like how you think you know everything and anything about fitness/AAS. Its idiots like you that give real AS users a bad name. Its funny how you werent accepted on other boards, so you have to come to a car audio board and try and impress people that dont know any better. Buuut I guess you will be the guy taking home the medals and trophies, right?? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[Platestacker45 10+ year member]

If anyone were to be a good candidate for a M1-T or Superdrol vs. Placebo study, it would be me. Like I've said before, I am bodybuilding till I die. It's what I do, it's who I am. This thread is named "Bodybuilders: Come Hither". And I'm pretty sure I'm the only actual competive bodybuilder in this forum. If someone with multiple Personal Training certs, years and years of extreme hands on experience, and has grown up with world class Powerlifters and Bodybuilders all his life calls something bunk and a waste of money, I would tend to agree with them. Screw your little forum links, screw the "awsome results" those 16 year old kids say they got, and screw all those "scientific studies" that came straight from the company that makes the product! Gaining 20 pounds does NOT mean anything. Those pills can hold 20 pounds of water retetion once you start taking them. Your lifts could go up because you think your taking real gear. You can gain weight by eating more and lifting harder, because you think your taking real gear. You see what I'm getting at? I diden't change my workout or eating habits when I tried them, and that is why I gained no weight and my strength did not go up. Even after taking 3X the recomened dosage. And BTW: even at that high of dosage, I had 0 side effects whatsoever. Why the hell do you say they have harsh side effects? Do you get bloowork done often while on them? Get liver value test done? You just assume they are harmfull cause that is what Dr. Joeblow says in his MuscleTech studies...

 

[saj21187 10+ year member]

If anyone were to be a good candidate for a M1-T or Superdrol vs. Placebo study, it would be me. Like I've said before, I am bodybuilding till I die. It's what I do, it's who I am. This thread is named "Bodybuilders: Come Hither". And I'm pretty sure I'm the only actual competive bodybuilder in this forum. If someone with multiple Personal Training certs, years and years of extreme hands on experience, and has grown up with world class Powerlifters and Bodybuilders all his life calls something bunk and a waste of money, I would tend to agree with them. Screw your little forum links, screw the "awsome results" those 16 year old kids say they got, and screw all those "scientific studies" that came straight from the company that makes the product! Gaining 20 pounds does NOT mean anything. Those pills can hold 20 pounds of water retetion once you start taking them. Your lifts could go up because you think your taking real gear. You can gain weight by eating more and lifting harder, because you think your taking real gear. You see what I'm getting at? I diden't change my workout or eating habits when I tried them, and that is why I gained no weight and my strength did not go up. Even after taking 3X the recomened dosage. And BTW: even at that high of dosage, I had 0 side effects whatsoever. Why the hell do you say they have harsh side effects? Do you get bloowork done often while on them? Get liver value test done? You just assume they are harmfull cause that is what Dr. Joeblow says in his MuscleTech studies...

Hmmmm that is funny, because the first time I took M1t about two weeks into it i had quite a few sides. Acne, groggyness, LOW labido(when i say low i mean my shit wasnt getting hard for a **** supermodel) were among a few. And yes i did get blood work done, and yes my liver values were elevated and blood pressure was up. As a matter of fact i get monthly blood tests no matter what im taking, and the time i was taking phs(few years ago) was the highest my blood pressure has ever been. Did you get blood work done when you were taking it? Have you ever got blood work done? Not to mention a good friend of mine who is extremely experienced got jaundice from M1t. He doesnt drink, has one of the strictest diets and training regimens i have ever seen and it still ****ed him up. And yes he took liver protectant too. Maybe i will post pics if he gives me permission later today, adn you be the judge of if the shit has side effects. Granted this was a long time ago, but the shit is dangerous and needs to be taken seriously. Just because you didnt have any visible side effects, doesnt mean there were none and doesnt mean others wont experience some.

 

[fatryan 5,000+ posts]

If anyone were to be a good candidate for a M1-T or Superdrol vs. Placebo study, it would be me. Like I've said before, I am bodybuilding till I die. It's what I do, it's who I am. This thread is named "Bodybuilders: Come Hither". And I'm pretty sure I'm the only actual competive bodybuilder in this forum. If someone with multiple Personal Training certs, years and years of extreme hands on experience, and has grown up with world class Powerlifters and Bodybuilders all his life calls something bunk and a waste of money, I would tend to agree with them. Screw your little forum links, screw the "awsome results" those 16 year old kids say they got, and screw all those "scientific studies" that came straight from the company that makes the product! Gaining 20 pounds does NOT mean anything. Those pills can hold 20 pounds of water retetion once you start taking them. Your lifts could go up because you think your taking real gear. You can gain weight by eating more and lifting harder, because you think your taking real gear. You see what I'm getting at? I diden't change my workout or eating habits when I tried them, and that is why I gained no weight and my strength did not go up. Even after taking 3X the recomened dosage. And BTW: even at that high of dosage, I had 0 side effects whatsoever. Why the hell do you say they have harsh side effects? Do you get bloowork done often while on them? Get liver value test done? You just assume they are harmfull cause that is what Dr. Joeblow says in his MuscleTech studies...

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif Guess this tard wont ever learn...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/hilarious.gif.02a037aad04aa96f19982b298a3d70a8.gif

oh, bTW, im 22, ive been lifting for 12 years. my dad was Mr. Universe, ive worked at gym all my life and i personal train, i compete and have won many metals. so since im older...ME>j00

*NOTE:that was a joke just to show you how much of an asshat you sound like

 

[Platestacker45 10+ year member]

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif Guess this tard wont ever learn...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/hilarious.gif.02a037aad04aa96f19982b298a3d70a8.gif
oh, bTW, im 22, ive been lifting for 12 years. my dad was Mr. Universe, ive worked at gym all my life and i personal train, i compete and have won many metals. so since im older...ME>j00

*NOTE:that was a joke just to show you how much of an asshat you sound like

You act like a such a child. Why do you make a thread asking for BODYBUILDER's opinions, and then when answered by the only BODYBUILDER on this forum, you cop a little attitude with him and insist he is wrong about everything he says, including his background and knowledge? Not one thing I have mentioned is BS. Don't throw a fit when a competent resource states his opinion about your wanna-be steriod pills. If you don't like real opinions from actual competive bodybuilders, then go back to your little fake "Bodybuilding" forums and continue your "pro-hormone" boner with those un-experienced 11 teen year olds.